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Post#21 Re: bulls fan with a question
Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:31 pm by OMPunk

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G-Heel wrote:I wouldn't want to go anywhere near Amare... this is a rebuilding team, what are we going to do with Amare?

If healthy, he'll get this team a few more wins, effectively push us out of building good talents through the draft. Once we're able to get more talent in, he'll be old. So if healthy, all he'll do is lengthen our rebuilding process.

If he get injured again, then we'll be stuck with a bad contract for a few more years. I don't see any positives from attaining Amare unless it's a salary dump situation where we get good young prospects and draft picks to take him.



you dont think this is a good lineup?

nikola/ayon
STAT/harrington
budinger/q rich
AAA/ brewer
meer / barea

especially if you still have cap space? and he only has 2 more years?

i guess my post was really out of curiosity of what fans of teams like the magic think is the best approach is all.


To answer your question, we are no different then fans of any other team. We want our team built correctly and don't clammer for has beens because we can't do any better.

If this team was called the Chicago Bulls would YOU be happy with it? :lol:
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Post#22 Re: bulls fan with a question
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:17 am by G-Heel

VegetaBull wrote:
G-Heel wrote:I wouldn't want to go anywhere near Amare... this is a rebuilding team, what are we going to do with Amare?

If healthy, he'll get this team a few more wins, effectively push us out of building good talents through the draft. Once we're able to get more talent in, he'll be old. So if healthy, all he'll do is lengthen our rebuilding process.

If he get injured again, then we'll be stuck with a bad contract for a few more years. I don't see any positives from attaining Amare unless it's a salary dump situation where we get good young prospects and draft picks to take him.



you dont think this is a good lineup?

nikola/ayon
STAT/harrington
budinger/q rich
AAA/ brewer
meer / barea

especially if you still have cap space? and he only has 2 more years?

i guess my post was really out of curiosity of what fans of teams like the magic think is the best approach is all.


Good lineup for what? 35 wins and 13th pick the next few years? Like I said, he doesn't fit with any plans this team possibly has. If we were a contender, needing that one scoring PF, then maybe we'll take the chance. I just don't think he's a good fit for Orlando, and Budinger isn't going to change that fact.
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Post#23 Re: bulls fan with a question
Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:49 am by VegetaBull

OMPunk wrote:
VegetaBull wrote:
G-Heel wrote:I wouldn't want to go anywhere near Amare... this is a rebuilding team, what are we going to do with Amare?

If healthy, he'll get this team a few more wins, effectively push us out of building good talents through the draft. Once we're able to get more talent in, he'll be old. So if healthy, all he'll do is lengthen our rebuilding process.

If he get injured again, then we'll be stuck with a bad contract for a few more years. I don't see any positives from attaining Amare unless it's a salary dump situation where we get good young prospects and draft picks to take him.



you dont think this is a good lineup?

nikola/ayon
STAT/harrington
budinger/q rich
AAA/ brewer
meer / barea

especially if you still have cap space? and he only has 2 more years?

i guess my post was really out of curiosity of what fans of teams like the magic think is the best approach is all.


To answer your question, we are no different then fans of any other team. We want our team built correctly and don't clammer for has beens because we can't do any better.

If this team was called the Chicago Bulls would YOU be happy with it? :lol:



well if we didnt have derrick, id think its a start. i mean big baby is out right? amare has 2 more years left, and this is gonna turn into a league where its tough to have a lot of top tier players. i am not trying to argue whats good for your team, and i am sounding like that cause i guess i didnt ask... are niko and AAA the studs we hear they are?
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Post#24 Re: bulls fan with a question
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:24 am by RickB-Orlando

VegetaBull wrote:

well if we didnt have derrick, id think its a start. i mean big baby is out right? amare has 2 more years left, and this is gonna turn into a league where its tough to have a lot of top tier players. i am not trying to argue whats good for your team, and i am sounding like that cause i guess i didnt ask... are niko and AAA the studs we hear they are?

Nik has the potential to develop into a very good center, probably top five. He already has a pretty well developed offensive game and is a very smart rebounder. The best part is he's not strictly reliant on athleticism, and makes up for it wit BBIQ. He needs to develop as a defender.

Afflalo is a legitimate third option, but out of his depth as first option, IMO. I've been disappointed in his defense.

As for the trade, I'd pass on Amare, too much risk, too old, and not really tied to the community. I wouldn't mind seeing Buddinger though, he might have some upside. Mo Harkless has shown some flashes recently of what he can become, so small forward probably isn't a priority, until it becomes clear that Mo isn't going to cut it.

What we really need is a stud PG, but then who doesn't?
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Post#25 Re: bulls fan with a question
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:52 pm by VegetaBull

RickB-Orlando wrote:
VegetaBull wrote:

well if we didnt have derrick, id think its a start. i mean big baby is out right? amare has 2 more years left, and this is gonna turn into a league where its tough to have a lot of top tier players. i am not trying to argue whats good for your team, and i am sounding like that cause i guess i didnt ask... are niko and AAA the studs we hear they are?

Nik has the potential to develop into a very good center, probably top five. He already has a pretty well developed offensive game and is a very smart rebounder. The best part is he's not strictly reliant on athleticism, and makes up for it wit BBIQ. He needs to develop as a defender.

Afflalo is a legitimate third option, but out of his depth as first option, IMO. I've been disappointed in his defense.

As for the trade, I'd pass on Amare, too much risk, too old, and not really tied to the community. I wouldn't mind seeing Buddinger though, he might have some upside. Mo Harkless has shown some flashes recently of what he can become, so small forward probably isn't a priority, until it becomes clear that Mo isn't going to cut it.

What we really need is a stud PG, but then who doesn't?


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maybe niko can be 1a and afflalo 2a if you just get one more good guy in there. shame you lost reddick, fans seemed to really grown on him
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Post#26 Re: bulls fan with a question
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:00 pm by Skin

Shame we lost Redick? Not at all. It needed to happen. Just some fans get emotionally tied. That's the only thing you should read into that. Our GM did what was best for the team.
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Post#27 Re: bulls fan with a question
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:09 am by VegetaBull

Skin wrote:Shame we lost Redick? Not at all. It needed to happen. Just some fans get emotionally tied. That's the only thing you should read into that. Our GM did what was best for the team.



thought you guys were high on him and that he was doing better. wasnt he a good combo 1/2 to back up AAA and meer?
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Post#28 Re: bulls fan with a question
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:10 am by VegetaBull

also kudos to your board for welcoming me and being civilized in your discussion. i wish the bulls board was more like that. we just get so many haters and illogical postings that have no basis.
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Post#29 Re: bulls fan with a question
Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:17 am by NEM

Jj wasn't a combo. He is strictly 2. And while he was a fan favorite, this move was necessary in our development. We may have lost a few casual fans, but they'll be back once we start winning again. It happens every time a team goes through this phase. True fans stick it out, fair weather fans don't. Realgm is MAINLY true fans, though I've seen a couple head scratchers who are "magics" fans and "reddick" fans...

To answer your question, that would be terrible for us and sets us back in what we are trying to do. Plus amare isn't a hometown kid, he hates orlando
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Post#30 Re: bulls fan with a question
Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:50 pm by VegetaBull

NEM wrote:Jj wasn't a combo. He is strictly 2. And while he was a fan favorite, this move was necessary in our development. We may have lost a few casual fans, but they'll be back once we start winning again. It happens every time a team goes through this phase. True fans stick it out, fair weather fans don't. Realgm is MAINLY true fans, though I've seen a couple head scratchers who are "magics" fans and "reddick" fans...

To answer your question, that would be terrible for us and sets us back in what we are trying to do. Plus amare isn't a hometown kid, he hates orlando


he hates it? well then, i guess it was a moot post :lol:
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Post#31 Re: bulls fan with a question
Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:50 pm by MagicMadness

G-Heel wrote:I wouldn't want to go anywhere near Amare... this is a rebuilding team, what are we going to do with Amare?

If healthy, he'll get this team a few more wins, effectively push us out of building good talents through the draft. Once we're able to get more talent in, he'll be old. So if healthy, all he'll do is lengthen our rebuilding process.

If he get injured again, then we'll be stuck with a bad contract for a few more years. I don't see any positives from attaining Amare unless it's a salary dump situation where we get good young prospects and draft picks to take him.


Agreed. Bringing in Amare makes us a probable playoff team, but not a contender. It screws up the rebuilding process and our cap space - not a good move at all.

There is a major difference between a young, up-and-coming team grabbing a low seed and a mediocre veteran team with no cap space, lottery picks, or clear plan for the future making a low seed.
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Post#32 Re: bulls fan with a question
Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:53 pm by Ballah

We are not a playoff team with Amare, he might pull us out of the bottom five... maybe.
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Post#33 Re: bulls fan with a question
Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:59 pm by VegetaBull

MagicMadness wrote:
G-Heel wrote:I wouldn't want to go anywhere near Amare... this is a rebuilding team, what are we going to do with Amare?

If healthy, he'll get this team a few more wins, effectively push us out of building good talents through the draft. Once we're able to get more talent in, he'll be old. So if healthy, all he'll do is lengthen our rebuilding process.

If he get injured again, then we'll be stuck with a bad contract for a few more years. I don't see any positives from attaining Amare unless it's a salary dump situation where we get good young prospects and draft picks to take him.


Agreed. Bringing in Amare makes us a probable playoff team, but not a contender. It screws up the rebuilding process and our cap space - not a good move at all.

There is a major difference between a young, up-and-coming team grabbing a low seed and a mediocre veteran team with no cap space, lottery picks, or clear plan for the future making a low seed.


yeah i looked over the cap and it seemed pretty free besides amare obv, but got rid of fat fetus and turk. i love JJ but are you gonna have to change your pic now?
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Post#34 Re: bulls fan with a question
Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:38 am by CourtsideTV

amare before injuries would be worth max...right now he is a rashard lewis version of the PF spot
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Post#35 Re: bulls fan with a question
Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:01 am by Reverse_Angle

It is just weird when people write a line up suggestion for a team that they do not follow. Q Rich? The general discrepancy?

No man, just no.
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Post#36 Re: bulls fan with a question
Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:32 am by RookieStar

CourtsideTV wrote:amare before injuries would be worth max...right now he is a rashard lewis version of the PF spot



errr courtside, rashard is/was a PF version too
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Post#37 Re: bulls fan with a question
Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:56 pm by VegetaBull

Reverse_Angle wrote:It is just weird when people write a line up suggestion for a team that they do not follow. Q Rich? The general discrepancy?

No man, just no.



i follow, i should have said, i just dont watch* i am sure Q doesnt pass the eye test, but i still wish he fought lebron haha
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Post#38 Re: bulls fan with a question
Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:57 pm by VegetaBull

CourtsideTV wrote:amare before injuries would be worth max...right now he is a rashard lewis version of the PF spot



you mean this years injury? or back in like 04 or whatever? cause he was actually doin well with the knicks, melo ruins that when hes on the court
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