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Skin wrote:This trade isn't based on Harris being a finished product. There is no certainty that he'll ever make it in this league. But why the ho hum about his flaws? Shedding doubt on him based off what he's shown so far is entirely premature. He was one of the youngest players in the draft, this is his 2nd year in the league and he hasn't gotten any time on the court to develop. We HAD to get something for Redick. There was no other decision to make. Getting a guy who was taken with the 19th pick IS the kind of value we hoped for in return for Redick. We have Harris locked up till 2016 and he gives us another solid project to work on while keeping our salary cap in check. Heck who knows... maybe Harris flakes out and Lamb turns into a keeper. So many different things can happen, but it's worth the gamble of finding out because Redick was about to be lost for nothing.

BTW, there are a TON of good players in the league that have difficulty with defense.

it's definitely much better to have another asset on the team than to have JJ walking, or balking at offers below $10M. and i think Harris is a solid piece to add to the team. he's gonna get some big minutes, and i think he'll be a big contributor off the bench. my guess is he'll average 10-12ppg in 25mpg for the remainder of the season. anytime Harris is playing SF, we should be running a whole bunch of post plays for him, cos the dude looks very skilled on that front.

Lamb is another prospect to watch. he hasn't got very good size for a SG, or a good wingspan to compensate, but he can shoot well and he's got good handles. i was never too fussed when watching him last season, because he was never particularly great at anything, and he seemed to force a lot of his shots at times too. but, he can play well within structure when required to, so it's up to JV to give this team some structure.

I want to see one of our youngesters to have a 30 pt game.

Javanar wrote:I want to see one of our youngesters to have a 30 pt game.

my money would be on Vuc.

but, Nic and Moe are always a threat to go off, too.

from BEN GOLLIVER's winners and losers article:
Tobias was a Winner described below, JJ loser for having to go to Milwaukee and Warrick a loser for being traded 4 times during the same contract.

Tobias Harris, Magic: If there’s one totally under-the-radar player moved on Thursday who can emerge into a real player by shifting locales and being given a larger opportunity, it would be Harris. Included as one of the pieces Milwaukee sent to Orlando in exchange for Redick, Harris has good size for a wing and posted decent per-minute numbers in a limited role for the Bucks. Milwaukee simply had too many veteran options in front of the 20-year-old, who was the 19th pick in 2011. In Orlando, coach Jacque Vaughn should be delighted to give Harris the opportunity to showcase his talents.

http://nba.si.com/2013/02/21/nba-trade- ... &eref=sihp

Admittedly I haven't seen much of Harris play. I'm relegated to scouring the interwebz for highlight videos which could make Ayon look like an all star.

I like his ability to score, the video I watched showed him defending lebron and melo pretty well. Again too small a sample size bit either way I like his potential. We'll see.

Bensational wrote:
Lamb is another prospect to watch. he hasn't got very good size for a SG, or a good wingspan to compensate, but he can shoot well and he's got good handles. i was never too fussed when watching him last season, because he was never particularly great at anything, and he seemed to force a lot of his shots at times too. but, he can play well within structure when required to, so it's up to JV to give this team some structure.

6'5 with a 6'7 wing span is decent size for a SG. I wouldnt say that he does not have good size.

tiderulz wrote:

Bensational wrote:
Lamb is another prospect to watch. he hasn't got very good size for a SG, or a good wingspan to compensate, but he can shoot well and he's got good handles. i was never too fussed when watching him last season, because he was never particularly great at anything, and he seemed to force a lot of his shots at times too. but, he can play well within structure when required to, so it's up to JV to give this team some structure.

6'5 with a 6'7 wing span is decent size for a SG. I wouldnt say that he does not have good size.

certainly lengthier than Redick

Javanar wrote:I want to see one of our youngesters to have a 30 pt game.

Tobes could do it if he got hot and you guys fed him the ball.

Lamb is listed as 6'4 on NBA.com

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/doron_lamb/

To me, I like what i hear from Lamb, and i like his background, but his size i fear will/can be a huge hinderance. He's certainly at LEAST as tall as JJ, and with a longer wingspan too.

I see the guy being as primarily a 2 guard.

SmiteaDwight wrote:Just so that you guys know what you're getting in the deal in Ayon and Ish

Ayon: Painful player to watch, I'am really, really glad he's gone. Not really good at anything. Thinks he's steve nash with passes, forgets hes 6'10 and will force passes when he should shoot it next to the basket. Has no idea how to play defense. At all. Not athlete, just a really pitiful player, iam sorry you have him.

As for Ish, He could be a solid starter in the nba if he could just make a jumpshot. He has ELITE ballhandling skills, is a good passer and a surprising athlete who can dunk on you even at his height. His problem is that he cant shoot at all and makes questionable decisions. At this point his ack of shooting is so bad that he never, ever scores, although he will create shots with his speed.

You and I see these players differently.

As for Ish, he does have a good handle and is both athletic and super fast. However, its not his lack of shooting that holds him back but, rather, his lack of decision making ability. He has no clue how to run an offense and struggles mightily to get his teammates involved. While he has moments of some sweet plays he generally hurts the squad as he is not a team-oriented player. Generally, when one says such a thing its due to a player being selfish or having a bad attitude. WRT Ish, though, I don't know that is the case. Instead, its just that he does not have a clue how to play point. I actually like him -- just think he is a terrible pg.

As to Gus, while I agree with you he does tend to overpass on occasion I think if he was surrounded by better finishers his ability to pass would be more valued. He has a significant dirth of athleticism and though he can occasionally be a bit physical that is certainly not his thing. However, he was a favorite amongst his teammates for his willingness to get everyone involved and move the ball. I think he will do very well with the Bucks where you have much better finishers and experienced players. I, for one, will be sad to see Gus go.

otownflava21 wrote:Lamb is listed as 6'4 on NBA.com

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/doron_lamb/

To me, I like what i hear from Lamb, and i like his background, but his size i fear will/can be a huge hinderance. He's certainly at LEAST as tall as JJ, and with a longer wingspan too.

I see the guy being as primarily a 2 guard.

listed a hair under 6'5 measured at DraftExpress.

For comparison,
James Harden 6'5
OJ Mayo 6'4
Afflalo 6'5
Ray Allen 6'5
C.Lee 6'5

So i wouldnt worry too much about his size.

I wouldn't even mention Lamb in the same post as Mayo/Lee/Harden because Lamb has looked horrible out there and is shooting like 33% from the field. Harper wasn't even that bad.

But, I like this Harris kid. He shows some potential. Unfortunatley, he has that tweener position where he is too short for PF and too slow for SF. Those kinds of guys usually end up bench players.

Regardless, it will be fun the 2nd half of the season to see how he does. Because, he should get more than the 12mpg he got in Milwaukee on a playoff bound team.

BadMofoPimp wrote:I wouldn't even mention Lamb in the same post as Mayo/Lee/Harden because Lamb has looked horrible out there and is shooting like 33% from the field. Harper wasn't even that bad.

But, I like this Harris kid. He shows some potential. Unfortunatley, he has that tweener position where he is too short for PF and too slow for SF. Those kinds of guys usually end up bench players.

Regardless, it will be fun the 2nd half of the season to see how he does. Because, he should get more than the 12mpg he got in Milwaukee on a playoff bound team.

Not going to give up on a kid who is in his first year out of college under a coach that isnt known to develop players. He was a good shooter in college, you dont just forget that in 6 months.

tiderulz wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:I wouldn't even mention Lamb in the same post as Mayo/Lee/Harden because Lamb has looked horrible out there and is shooting like 33% from the field. Harper wasn't even that bad.

But, I like this Harris kid. He shows some potential. Unfortunatley, he has that tweener position where he is too short for PF and too slow for SF. Those kinds of guys usually end up bench players.

Regardless, it will be fun the 2nd half of the season to see how he does. Because, he should get more than the 12mpg he got in Milwaukee on a playoff bound team.

Not going to give up on a kid who is in his first year out of college under a coach that isnt known to develop players. He was a good shooter in college, you dont just forget that in 6 months.

that's what is tuff about being a late 1st, 2nd or un-drafted player,
it takes minutes to get your confidence, it's a lot of pressure to go in for 4 min and be expected to make your shots, all these players are not used to coming off the bench ever in their careers.
Give these guys some non pressured minutes and see what happens. (starting to come around for Harkless)

Doron Lamb.... young, cheap backup with potential to grow. Nothing to complain about there.

Until we're at the point of being a contender again, this is exactly how we should be filling up our bench spots. The last thing we need are career journeymen who are mediocre in their craft and have no upside.

Mannchild wrote:I dont think he meant anything against believers in god, it just seems like the Magic have had a lot of players lately who wear their religion on their sleeve.

CourtsideTV wrote:

la boomstick wrote:Tobias Harris ‏@tobias31

God is great! I walk in his path with his grace! #ThankyouLord

Eh. Could do without all that. But whatever.

Would it kill us to acquire some Atheists?

Yeah, we need some bad boys on the team. The last time we had one of them (Matt Barnes) we reached the finals... Sad but true
I'm also tired of catholic crap (Howard for example) at the end it doesn't matter, they will fxxx your team if they need to.

P.S: God? Thank Henningham who brought you to the Orlando Magic boy

Barnes wasnt the reason the Magic reached the finals. Garnett being injured was.

Tobias Harris almost seems younger than Harkless. This two could bond and have a great off-season pushing each other in a friendly effort to start. That must be part of G Hennigan's thought process in this.

These kids are from about 50 miles apart!

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Matt Barnes wasn't even on our finals team though, so.....

I'll be watching this thread and more Magic games because Tobes is with you guys now, I think he's going to be a player.