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Mannchild wrote:I dont think he meant anything against believers in god, it just seems like the Magic have had a lot of players lately who wear their religion on their sleeve.

CourtsideTV wrote:

la boomstick wrote:Tobias Harris ‏@tobias31

God is great! I walk in his path with his grace! #ThankyouLord

Eh. Could do without all that. But whatever.

Would it kill us to acquire some Atheists?

Yeah, we need some bad boys on the team. The last time we had one of them (Matt Barnes) we reached the finals... Sad but true
I'm also tired of catholic crap (Howard for example) at the end it doesn't matter, they will fxxx your team if they need to.

P.S: God? Thank Henningham who brought you to the Orlando Magic boy

Barnes wasnt the reason the Magic reached the finals. Garnett being injured was.

Tobias Harris almost seems younger than Harkless. This two could bond and have a great off-season pushing each other in a friendly effort to start. That must be part of G Hennigan's thought process in this.

These kids are from about 50 miles apart!

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Matt Barnes wasn't even on our finals team though, so.....

I'll be watching this thread and more Magic games because Tobes is with you guys now, I think he's going to be a player.

Tobias has potential to replace JJ as our 6th man, and I like the most is what his presence will do for Harkless. I hope those two build a bond and challenge each other to get better.

Noonskadoodle wrote:Matt Barnes wasn't even on our finals team though, so.....

LOL yeah I was reading that and I was like.. Is it just me? Or??.. Nah he wasn't on that Finals team..

CourtsideTV wrote:

la boomstick wrote:

Skin wrote:Tobias Harris ‏@tobias31

God is great! I walk in his path with his grace! #ThankyouLord

Eh. Could do without all that. But whatever.

Would it kill us to acquire some Atheists?

What's wrong acquiring a believer of God? He can post whatever he wants on his Twitter. What should he say? #ThankTheRock?

And I can post whatever I want on here, within the terms of service. He can thank his family, he can thank the organization, he can thank a lot of people who have had an ACTIVE hand in his development. But no, it's cool to thank a flying spaghetti monster, if that's your bag.

tiderulz wrote:Barnes wasnt the reason the Magic reached the finals. Garnett being injured was.

I know this has been debated many times, I still disagree with that statement. We didn't have our All-Star PG, nobody cares about that.

I really think you discredit the chemistry and the overall play of our team during that run. We just clicked and everybody knew their role. Even Dwight during that time was so great because he focused on his defense.

MagicHolland wrote:

tiderulz wrote:Barnes wasnt the reason the Magic reached the finals. Garnett being injured was.

I know this has been debated many times, I still disagree with that statement. We didn't have our All-Star PG, nobody cares about that.

I really think you discredit the chemistry and the overall play of our team during that run. We just clicked and everybody knew their role. Even Dwight during that time was so great because he focused on his defense.

THIS. Meer was a top 5 PG all star for me that time

Skip was the better point guard for our team, especially when he was hitting 3's. Jameer still can't gaurd a traffic cone.

I hope this thread doesn't fail.

What Tobias could be: Luol Deng

What he'll probably become: Ryan Gomes

To compare our young players athletically, here are some draft combine measurements

Harkless
No step Vert: 32.5
Max Vert: 37
Lane Agility: 10.87

Harris
No step Vert: 31.5
Max Vert: 37.5
Lane Agility: 10.96

For comparison lets use a player who is known for his Vertical and quickness: Derrick Rose

No step Vert: 34.5
Max Vert: 40
Lane Agility: 11.96

Really liked what I saw from Tobias today. He plays with a lot of confidence. If he can get that jumper to start falling, he could be a major weapon on offence. Decent handles for a big guy too.

magicaroni wrote:What Tobias could be: Luol Deng

What he'll probably become: Ryan Gomes

Idk

Some Bucks fans compare him to Big Dog Robinson

thelead wrote:Skip was the better point guard for our team, especially when he was hitting 3's. Jameer still can't gaurd a traffic cone.

I agree. Putting Jameer back in as a starter actually cost us the championship. Rafer was a better pg for this team than Jameer. I like Jameer but that is how a lots of us see it to this day. As far as the atheist getting all bent out of shape at the mention of God, come on where's the tolerance that you guys preach?

Back on topic: I really like Tobias. Very very strong NBA Body at 20 and takes it to the hole without any hesitation. Also getting a legit pg for this young team is huge. it will be a tough couple of years but i love the effort that these young guys put out. Go Magic!!!

Tobias is a really hard worker. Pretty humble kid. He's much more athletic than what I recalled of him at Tennnessee or even in Milwaukee the few times I saw him play in a Bucks jersey.

I really liked some of what I saw from Tobias last night, I just hope he doesn't fall in love with the jump shot. We need a post presence more than another spot up shooter seeing as how Vuc likes to play the paint is lava on offense.

~Snoopy~ wrote:

magicaroni wrote:What Tobias could be: Luol Deng

What he'll probably become: Ryan Gomes

Idk

Some Bucks fans compare him to Big Dog Robinson

He's no Glenn Robinson... that is an idiotic comparison for them to give him.

He is very athletic, and has a great build, but he is so unpolished offensively and his jumpshot is barely ahead of Moe Harkless at this point.

If I were coaching Tobias, i would have him working on a back to the basket game for the 3's he'd be facing, and a 15 foot face up game for the 4's he'd be facing. He needs to be utilizing his advantages against defenders. Not settling for threes. This kid is strong and athletic, and needs to play like it. IMO, he's more of a 4 than a 3.