ESPN #NBARank

the_hobo · Post #1 » by **the_hobo** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:36 pm

Don't see another thread for this, thought I'd start it up. I'm seeing a rather interesting difference between ESPN's rankings and our board's mindset... love to hear your thoughts.

So far we've got the following:

284. Jason Maxiell (not with team) *9/22/14
285. Luke Ridnour *9/22/14
365. Willie Green
370. Kyle O'Quinn
372. E'Twaan Moore (not with team)
472. Dewayne Dedmon
483. Roy Marble

The obvious shock to me is seeing O'Quinn so down low. Also, I'm sure 90% of our board would put Nicholson below O'Quinn. IMO they both need to be in the 200 range (are there seriously 30 12-man rosters better than Kyle?).

Granted these rankings are BS, where do you think everyone else will land? Where SHOULD they land?

Guessing something like the following:

20. Vooch
40. Oladipo
55. Harris
150. Elfrid Payton
175. Aaron Gordon
180. Frye
200. Nicholson (and I'd put O'quinn here too)

Orlwillbeback · Post #2 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:56 pm

Vooch at 20? AHAHAHAHA

More like 70ish

SHAQ32 · Post #3 » by **SHAQ32** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:57 pm

No way Dipo is close to 40 either, still too unproven.

rcklsscognition · Post #4 » by **rcklsscognition** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:06 pm

KOQ at that number is ridiculous. They don't know who he is YET.

drsd · Post #5 » by **drsd** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:07 am

rcklsscognition wrote:KOQ at that number is ridiculous. They don't know who he is YET.

Their are about 400 contributing staff members in the NBA, and the total labor pool is between 440-480 basketball players. If we say that O'Quinn is a 7th or 8th man on any team in the NBA, he thus is around 30 teams X #7.5 depth chart, or Player #225.

His ranking is for a deep bench player that is just above, "barely in the league." That is ridiculous! Every team in the league would froth at having O'Quinn on their team; he is the prototype of what a bench combo-big is supposed to bring!

EDIT: having Willie Green over Kyle O'Quinn is an embarrassment to both players. ESPN must feel shame!

BadMofoPimp · Post #6 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:11 pm

If Vooch is really at Number 20, sounds about right to me. He is the best on the team right now and very underrated.

JBSouthpaw · Post #7 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:19 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:If Vooch is really at Number 20, sounds about right to me. He is the best on the team right now and very underrated.

can you name 10 teams were Vuc is better than everyone one on that team?

BadMofoPimp · Post #8 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:28 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:If Vooch is really at Number 20, sounds about right to me. He is the best on the team right now and very underrated.

can you name 10 teams were Vuc is better than everyone one on that team?

Atlanta
Philly
Milwaukee
Nets
Utah
Toronto
Denver
Minnesota
Indiana (if you don't include George this year)
Boston
Cleveland

OrlMagic05 · Post #9 » by **OrlMagic05** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:41 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:If Vooch is really at Number 20, sounds about right to me. He is the best on the team right now and very underrated.

can you name 10 teams were Vuc is better than everyone one on that team?

Atlanta
Philly
Milwaukee
Nets
Utah
Toronto
Denver
Minnesota
Indiana (if you don't include George this year)
Boston
Cleveland

Did you forget the green font for Cleveland???

Last Guardian · Post #10 » by **Last Guardian** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:54 pm

Listen, we'll need to start winning and become a topic of discussion before our players get any respect. A solid amount of our players have good production on the court, but the media doesn't care about that.

JBSouthpaw · Post #11 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:18 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:If Vooch is really at Number 20, sounds about right to me. He is the best on the team right now and very underrated.

can you name 10 teams were Vuc is better than everyone one on that team?

Atlanta > Horford is clearly better
Philly
Milwaukee
Nets
Utah Derrick Favors is a push with Vuc
Toronto DeRozan
Denver Lawson easily[/color]
Minnesota
Indiana (if you don't include George this year)
Boston
Cleveland

MagicFanGilley · Post #12 » by **MagicFanGilley** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:24 pm

Yeah, if Nikola is at 20, I would be really surprised. He's good, but not that good.

BadMofoPimp · Post #13 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:31 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
can you name 10 teams were Vuc is better than everyone one on that team?

Atlanta > Horford is clearly better
Philly
Milwaukee
Nets
Utah Derrick Favors is a push with Vuc
Toronto DeRozan
Denver Lawson easily[/color]
Minnesota
Indiana (if you don't include George this year)
Boston
Cleveland

Horford is not the same player he once was
Favors is waaaay overrated on this board. he really is not that good.
DeRozan is good, but not that good.
I will take a Big with talent like Vooch over an average PG in Lawson any day of the week.

Orlwillbeback · Post #14 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:33 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:If Vooch is really at Number 20, sounds about right to me. He is the best on the team right now and very underrated.

can you name 10 teams were Vuc is better than everyone one on that team?

Atlanta
Philly
Milwaukee
Nets
Utah
Toronto
Denver
Minnesota
Indiana (if you don't include George this year)
Boston
Cleveland

Confirmed trolling post here.

JBSouthpaw · Post #15 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:56 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
Atlanta > Horford is clearly better
Philly
Milwaukee
Nets
Utah Derrick Favors is a push with Vuc
Toronto DeRozan
Denver Lawson easily[/color]
Minnesota
Indiana (if you don't include George this year)
Boston
Cleveland

Horford is not the same player he once was
Favors is waaaay overrated on this board. he really is not that good.
DeRozan is good, but not that good.
I will take a Big with talent like Vooch over an average PG in Lawson any day of the week.

Horford will be back to his norm this year, which is better than Vuc.
Favors & DeRozan could be debated at length
To call Lawson "average" is laughable, look at what he did with that roster last year, with Gallinari out? Pts 17.6 Asst. 8.8 Reb. 3.5. That is not an average PG.

BadMofoPimp · Post #16 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:04 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:

Horford is not the same player he once was
Favors is waaaay overrated on this board. he really is not that good.
DeRozan is good, but not that good.
I will take a Big with talent like Vooch over an average PG in Lawson any day of the week.

Horford will be back to his norm this year, which is better than Vuc.
Favors & DeRozan could be debated at length
To call Lawson "average" is laughable, look at what he did with that roster last year, with Gallinari out? Pts 17.6 Asst. 8.8 Reb. 3.5. That is not an average PG.

Have you actually watched Horford or just speculating?

Favors is a bench player on most teams.

DeRozan is a good SG, but a Solid Starting Center is always more valuable.

Meer could have put up those kinds of stats on a bad team.

JBSouthpaw · Post #17 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:09 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
Horford is not the same player he once was
Favors is waaaay overrated on this board. he really is not that good.
DeRozan is good, but not that good.
I will take a Big with talent like Vooch over an average PG in Lawson any day of the week.

Horford will be back to his norm this year, which is better than Vuc.
Favors & DeRozan could be debated at length
To call Lawson "average" is laughable, look at what he did with that roster last year, with Gallinari out? Pts 17.6 Asst. 8.8 Reb. 3.5. That is not an average PG.

Have you actually watched Horford or just speculating? speculating, but his game wasn't based on speed so there is high reason he'll be back to normal.

Favors is a bench player on most teams.
So were Vuc and Harris when we got them

DeRozan is a good SG, but a Solid Starting Center is always more valuable.
debatable, more than 1 team went far without a "solid" center in the Playoffs, someone has to score though.

Meer could have put up those kinds of stats on a bad team.
[color=#FF0000]But he didn't, and had his chances [/color]

BadMofoPimp · Post #18 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:19 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Have you actually watched Horford or just speculating? speculating, but his game wasn't based on speed so there is high reason he'll be back to normal.

I think he is past his peak with this injury. Vooch is improving and has surpassed

Favors is a bench player on most teams.
So were Vuc and Harris when we got them

FYI. 2 years ago when they were 20 and 21 years old. Now, they are older, developed and Better.

DeRozan is a good SG, but a Solid Starting Center is always more valuable.
debatable, more than 1 team went far without a "solid" center in the Playoffs, someone has to score though.

The NBA is more than just scoring while Big Men are a helluva lot more valuable than dime per dozen shooting guards.

Meer could have put up those kinds of stats on a bad team.
But he didn't, and had his chances

FYI. Vaughn was coach.

purpleswordfish · Post #19 » by **purpleswordfish** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:37 pm

Everything so far looks about right. KOQ is probably a bit low, but he didn't really carve out a solid role in the rotation until the latter part of last season. My thought is that if he were a starter at center, he'd be a double-double guy which is solid. I'm interested to see where they rate Harkless, Harris and Oladipo.

Orlwillbeback · Post #20 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:01 pm

Keep in mind youre debating with the same guy who would take vooch over a healthy embiid.