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Post#921 » by SportsGuy8 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:05 am

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Does anyone know if Vuc and Mario speak the same language? Now, before you all go crazy on me and tell me they are from two different places, I ask you this because i know Vuc knows and speaks multiple languages.

I am really hoping that this team hit it off, chemistry wise.

They will be able to speak and understand each other perfectly.Best way to describe differences between most ex-yugo languages is by comparing that situation with British English vs American English.Some words are different, accents is different,some slang words are different but there is no real language barrier there :D

The differences are bigger nowadays, though, especially with Croatians bringing back all kinds of ancient words, probably in an effort to separate themselves from the Serbians and/or Serbian language. I used to understand Serbo-Croatian quite well, but these days I only really completely understand Serbians, while I often go "wait, WHAT?" when speaking to Croatians.
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Post#922 » by SportsGuy8 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:24 am

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More good news for Orlando(Perasovic is Croatia NT coach).I can say i am bummed i wont get to see him on Eurobasket, but its certainly better for Magic to get some rest and get ready for training camp.

F*** him if he decides not to play.
I wish him all the best in his NBA career, I honestly want him to be the leagues MVP, but If he doesn't want now, he might as well never play for the NT again. I would be pissed if some coach in the future decides to call him up and he has the face to show up if he gives the NT the middle finger now.


It's amazing what kind of **** these basketball players often turn out to be. Oversized bodies, undersized hearts. Things like this make me appreciate our soccer and handball players even more.Those are guys who never ever turn down a call from the NT and do everything to get it. Many of them even risk injuries and decide to play not fully recovered. These guys on the other hand are trying to do whatever they can not to come.They have made so many different excuses not to play in the last 10-15 years it's really unbelievable.

And someone wonders why they are not as respected as some other NT and why basketball is not as popular as it used to be once.

Bah, you have to understand that it's not exactly an easy transition from FIBA basketball to NBA. It's quite different and if you ask me, Hezonja must have received some good advice about it. It's in his best LONG-TERM interest to prepare for his rookie season as best as he can, to properly adjust to many different things. Besides, if this year is only going to be a special EXCEPTION, then it also probably benefits YOUR team in the long-run.

People don't realize just how important it is that you start your NBA career on a high note. If you have a decent rookie year, you're going to have a major "benefit of doubt" for at least a couple more seasons, so everything gets easier. You're going to get your minutes regardless of your struggles. However, if you struggle initially, you can soon find yourself in a hole that it's very hard to get out of. You can soon find yourself at the end of the bench in your 2nd year, with not really getting proper opportunities, leading to frustration. Then when you only receive a couple of mins per game, you start forcing things, leading for people to doubt your abilities more and more ...

P.s.: Personally I think that most people take this "national pride" way too seriously. Nationalism and even patriotism as a whole is just another of many illogical and irrational social norms and behaviors. It's completely artificial, a product of humans having gang-like mentality, always wanting to be a part of some group (yes, sports-teams affiliations fall into that category also, to a lesser extent ;)). Just one of many, many things that show that we humans are still at a VERY primitive stage ...
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Post#923 » by Mustinjo » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:41 am

Thing is, this Eurobasket is in Croatia, that's why the people here are upset with his decision. And I can assure you that Magic don't want him to play, knowing Mario if it was his call only there is no doubt he would want to play if he's healthy.
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Post#924 » by Rosque » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:50 am

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Does anyone know if Vuc and Mario speak the same language? Now, before you all go crazy on me and tell me they are from two different places, I ask you this because i know Vuc knows and speaks multiple languages.

I am really hoping that this team hit it off, chemistry wise.

They will be able to speak and understand each other perfectly.Best way to describe differences between most ex-yugo languages is by comparing that situation with British English vs American English.Some words are different, accents is different,some slang words are different but there is no real language barrier there :D

The differences are bigger nowadays, though, especially with Croatians bringing back all kinds of ancient words, probably in an effort to separate themselves from the Serbians and/or Serbian language. I used to understand Serbo-Croatian quite well, but these days I only really completely understand Serbians, while I often go "wait, WHAT?" when speaking to Croatians.

What? No it's not. People in ex-yugo were forced to speak serbian with a slight touch here and there of croatian. not you have full croatian and it's really the same language. i converse with serbians, montenegrins and bosnians on a daily basis and never have any 'wait, what?' moments. the differences are really non-existent. tho it may appear to be bigger to people learning the two languages.
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Post#925 » by MrTwister » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:58 am

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SportsGuy8 wrote:
MrTwister wrote:They will be able to speak and understand each other perfectly.Best way to describe differences between most ex-yugo languages is by comparing that situation with British English vs American English.Some words are different, accents is different,some slang words are different but there is no real language barrier there :D

The differences are bigger nowadays, though, especially with Croatians bringing back all kinds of ancient words, probably in an effort to separate themselves from the Serbians and/or Serbian language. I used to understand Serbo-Croatian quite well, but these days I only really completely understand Serbians, while I often go "wait, WHAT?" when speaking to Croatians.

What? No it's not. People in ex-yugo were forced to speak serbian with a slight touch here and there of croatian. not you have full croatian and it's really the same language. i converse with serbians, montenegrins and bosnians on a daily basis and never have any 'wait, what?' moments. the differences are really non-existent. tho it may appear to be bigger to people learning the two languages.

I never had any issues either, sometimes people ask me to talk a little slower because i used to talk real fast so it was hard to pick up everything i was saying but eventually i fixed that up.Regarding Mario situation, its kinda still up in the air, and everything i read so far are just speculations.Between Magic pressuring him not to play and having competition in Croatia and playing in front of home crowd right after being drafted, its kind of an important decision for him to make.A month from now everything will be much more clear.
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Post#926 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:26 am

I don't understand the rumor that Orlando is pressuring him. We knew he was playing in Euroleague. Orlando limited his summer league to 2 games due to fatigue and the knowledge that he's playing overseas. If it's true, I hope Orlando let him play and if he gets injuried in Euroleague or next season due to fatigue, that's his own fault. I'm really not up for this rumor mill to start with a rookie who have yet to play an NBA game.

We allowed Andrew, Nikola, Moe and Evan to all play in Euroleague while letting Harris and Oladipo to train for the squad for FIBA. I get it, they weren't rookies at the time but I still don't understand the rumor.
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Post#927 » by SportsGuy8 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:42 am

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MrTwister wrote:They will be able to speak and understand each other perfectly.Best way to describe differences between most ex-yugo languages is by comparing that situation with British English vs American English.Some words are different, accents is different,some slang words are different but there is no real language barrier there :D

The differences are bigger nowadays, though, especially with Croatians bringing back all kinds of ancient words, probably in an effort to separate themselves from the Serbians and/or Serbian language. I used to understand Serbo-Croatian quite well, but these days I only really completely understand Serbians, while I often go "wait, WHAT?" when speaking to Croatians.

What? No it's not. People in ex-yugo were forced to speak serbian with a slight touch here and there of croatian. not you have full croatian and it's really the same language. i converse with serbians, montenegrins and bosnians on a daily basis and never have any 'wait, what?' moments. the differences are really non-existent. tho it may appear to be bigger to people learning the two languages.

C'mon, just off the top of my head, some of the words I have heard lately: uspornik, naplatnica, opuštaonica, okokućni domobran, munjovoz, zrakomlat, vuneni travojed ... :lol:
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Post#928 » by Sir_Woof » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:13 pm

C'mon, just off the top of my head, some of the words I have heard lately: uspornik, naplatnica, opuštaonica, okokućni domobran, munjovoz, zrakomlat, vuneni travojed ... :lol

You do realize that these words are a joke and that they're not actually part of Croatian vocabulary right?
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Post#929 » by Rosque » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:56 pm

SportsGuy8 wrote:
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SportsGuy8 wrote:The differences are bigger nowadays, though, especially with Croatians bringing back all kinds of ancient words, probably in an effort to separate themselves from the Serbians and/or Serbian language. I used to understand Serbo-Croatian quite well, but these days I only really completely understand Serbians, while I often go "wait, WHAT?" when speaking to Croatians.

What? No it's not. People in ex-yugo were forced to speak serbian with a slight touch here and there of croatian. not you have full croatian and it's really the same language. i converse with serbians, montenegrins and bosnians on a daily basis and never have any 'wait, what?' moments. the differences are really non-existent. tho it may appear to be bigger to people learning the two languages.

C'mon, just off the top of my head, some of the words I have heard lately: uspornik, naplatnica, opuštaonica, okokućni domobran, munjovoz, zrakomlat, vuneni travojed ... :lol:


No one in their right mind uses these. These are 'new words' from people who have nothing to do but sit on their ass and think of alternatives for germanized etc words.
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Post#930 » by RookieStar » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:13 pm

Mustinjo wrote:Thing is, this Eurobasket is in Croatia, that's why the people here are upset with his decision. And I can assure you that Magic don't want him to play, knowing Mario if it was his call only there is no doubt he would want to play if he's healthy.


do you have sources for that part where the magic org doesnt want him to play?
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Post#931 » by MrTwister » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:21 pm

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Mustinjo wrote:Thing is, this Eurobasket is in Croatia, that's why the people here are upset with his decision. And I can assure you that Magic don't want him to play, knowing Mario if it was his call only there is no doubt he would want to play if he's healthy.


do you have sources for that part where the magic org doesnt want him to play?

There are some though unofficial reports that Magic are pressuring him not to play.In next few weeks there would be more infos regarding that.Neither Croatian basketball federation nor Hezonja gave any official statement so far.
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Post#932 » by AdamTheGreek » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:29 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I don't understand the rumor that Orlando is pressuring him. We knew he was playing in Euroleague. Orlando limited his summer league to 2 games due to fatigue and the knowledge that he's playing overseas. If it's true, I hope Orlando let him play and if he gets injuried in Euroleague or next season due to fatigue, that's his own fault. I'm really not up for this rumor mill to start with a rookie who have yet to play an NBA game.

We allowed Andrew, Nikola, Moe and Evan to all play in Euroleague while letting Harris and Oladipo to train for the squad for FIBA. I get it, they weren't rookies at the time but I still don't understand the rumor.


'EuroBasket'. Euroleague is on the club level.

Andrew played in the FIBA Americas competition in 2013 (and he most likely will again this summer)

Moe passed up a chance to play for Puerto Rico at the FIBA World Cup (where Evan was last year).

Evan's with France again, should make 12-man roster for EuroBasket. The French host their group stage in France, and then the knockout stage is also in France.

Vooch probably won't play for Montenegro until qualifying for EuroBasket 2017 comes around.

Tobias and Victor will have a strong chance to be chosen for the 2019 FIBA World Cup and/or 2020 Olympic team now that they'll both be participating in Team USA activities for the second consecutive year.

I have always been a strong supporter of players participating in international competitions early in their careers while they're young, as long as the coach isn't purposely burying these guys on the bench (unlike the previous Montenegrin coach with Vooch).
Playing actual games in late July, August, September is more valuable than simple training. The training you get done in May, June, July.
Also, depending on the tournament and location, it exposes these guys to big time crowd atmospheres and new pressure situations.
Traveling the world and experiencing new places and cultures is beneficial for a human being.

Harkless was told by his representatives that it'd be better to train in the U.S. instead of play for Puerto Rico. We now know that that didn't exactly pay off.

I really want Mario to play at EuroBasket, even if I know he'll probably be the backup SG or SF. He's part of that nation's international future (along with guys like Saric). Considering Croatia's group stage games are indeed being played in Croatia, Hezonja is going to get a lot of heat from his basketball federation, fans, and even players if Mario skips out on an important chance to grow the national team back to prominence.
Croatia hasn't won an international medial since the mid-'90s.
This batch of Croatians is capable of getting back on the podium, starting with this tournament (I give them a small chance at reaching the podium if they handle their group well).

Yes, Hezonja played 60-70 games for Barcelona. But - even factoring in 2-a-day practices - Mario shouldn't be that fatigued considering he didn't average a lot of minutes on the court. He's 20. Playing against tough EuroBasket competition in September will help get him prepped for Magic training camp and a spaced out preseason. Insurance shouldn't be a big issue.
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Post#933 » by SportsGuy8 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:25 pm

Sir_Woof wrote:You do realize that these words are a joke and that they're not actually part of Croatian vocabulary right?

They're actual words as per linguists. :) However, it's true what Rosque just wrote about them:
Rosque wrote:No one in their right mind uses these. These are 'new words' from people who have nothing to do but sit on their ass and think of alternatives for germanized etc words.


Anyways, I heard them being used on TV, even during sports broadcasts, besides, lots of people use them, but it's possible that it's just because they find them funny/ridiculous. :)
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Post#934 » by Rosque » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:27 pm

SportsGuy8 wrote:
Sir_Woof wrote:You do realize that these words are a joke and that they're not actually part of Croatian vocabulary right?

They're actual words as per linguists. :) However, it's true what Rosque just wrote about them:
Rosque wrote:No one in their right mind uses these. These are 'new words' from people who have nothing to do but sit on their ass and think of alternatives for germanized etc words.


Anyways, I heard them being used on TV, even during sports broadcasts, besides, lots of people use them, but it's possible that it's just because they find them funny/ridiculous. :)


they are actual words...that no one ever uses who has an ounce of sanity in themselves. or can be used as a joke for ..well, basically everything.
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Post#935 » by SportsGuy8 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:43 pm

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Mustinjo wrote:Thing is, this Eurobasket is in Croatia, that's why the people here are upset with his decision. And I can assure you that Magic don't want him to play, knowing Mario if it was his call only there is no doubt he would want to play if he's healthy.


do you have sources for that part where the magic org doesnt want him to play?

There are some though unofficial reports that Magic are pressuring him not to play.In next few weeks there would be more infos regarding that.Neither Croatian basketball federation nor Hezonja gave any official statement so far.

The thing is that almost always where there were rumors of some European player being "pressured by his NBA team" into skipping his national team activities, it turned out that it was just a convenient excuse from the player and there were no actual real pressures by his team.

If a player decides to skip international competition, but wants to save face in his home country, it's the best excuse, followed by "getting married", "baby kid" etc. Personally I would totally use every excuse imaginable :lol: and only really participate in the ones leading to the Olympics (as is the case with this year's tournament). But I'm a lazy egotistical bastard. :D
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Post#936 » by Sir_Woof » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:04 pm

Rosque wrote:
SportsGuy8 wrote:
Sir_Woof wrote:You do realize that these words are a joke and that they're not actually part of Croatian vocabulary right?

They're actual words as per linguists. :) However, it's true what Rosque just wrote about them:
Rosque wrote:No one in their right mind uses these. These are 'new words' from people who have nothing to do but sit on their ass and think of alternatives for germanized etc words.


Anyways, I heard them being used on TV, even during sports broadcasts, besides, lots of people use them, but it's possible that it's just because they find them funny/ridiculous. :)


they are actual words...that no one ever uses who has an ounce of sanity in themselves. or can be used as a joke for ..well, basically everything.


In which dictionary did you read about these words? I'm really curious my Anić dictionary mentions none of these strange words?
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Post#937 » by Rosque » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:16 pm

Sir_Woof wrote:
Rosque wrote:
SportsGuy8 wrote:They're actual words as per linguists. :) However, it's true what Rosque just wrote about them:


Anyways, I heard them being used on TV, even during sports broadcasts, besides, lots of people use them, but it's possible that it's just because they find them funny/ridiculous. :)


they are actual words...that no one ever uses who has an ounce of sanity in themselves. or can be used as a joke for ..well, basically everything.


In which dictionary did you read about these words? I'm really curious my Anić dictionary mentions none of these strange words?

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Post#938 » by MrTwister » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:55 pm

Hezonja rollercoaster continues.Coach of Croatian NT said for croatian national tv that Hezonja will join NT on August 1st, like other NBA players.This whole uncertainty was fueled by media silence from all 3 parties:Hezonja,coach and Croatian basketball federation.Apparently Mario suffered some minor injury during SL but nothing that would keep him off the court.Perasovic also added that Mario's wish to play on Eurobasket was never questionable and that he expects him to join training camp in August.
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Post#939 » by Rick Rolled » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:21 pm

Igor Marinovic ‏@sofoklo13 13m13 minutes ago
Orlando's Mario Hezonja WILL play at EuroBasket, Croatian coach Velimir Perasovic confirmed with public statement.
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Post#940 » by MrTwister » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:03 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
Igor Marinovic ‏@sofoklo13 13m13 minutes ago
Orlando's Mario Hezonja WILL play at EuroBasket, Croatian coach Velimir Perasovic confirmed with public statement.

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