Orlando's 2015-2016 Schedule Released

MagicStarwipe · Post #21 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:27 am

FFBlitzace wrote:Wiretap: "NBA Reduces Back-To-Backs in Regular Season Schedule...Except For The Magic."

The Real Dalic · Post #22 » by **The Real Dalic** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:28 am

I love that we're gonna be home on opening night! Hopefully we surprise the Wizards!

darthcheech2000 · Post #23 » by **darthcheech2000** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:01 am

Good thing we have depth, we're gonna need it. No favors from the schedule makers.

Also, if we're still in the mix come March then I'll need to keep some low dose aspirin nearby. The loses this season will start ruining by days again.

#grumpyfan

Tayswagzzz · Post #24 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:52 pm

Def Swami wrote:The first week is going to brutal to watch. This forum might burn.

Some men just want to watch the forums burn.

Post #25 » by **ChosenSavior** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:00 pm

The NBA gives us the opportunity to show the league we are not to be taken lightly anymore. Can't wait.

J-Ves · Post #26 » by **J-Ves** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:47 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:I love that we're gonna be home on opening night! Hopefully we surprise the Wizards!

You guys are going down! Jk, I actually think this will be a close one. It will come down to which back court has a better day.

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tooler · Post #27 » by **tooler** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:49 pm

I look forward to Nene destroying whomever we roll out at power forward, causing the board to meltdown.

Orlwillbeback · Post #28 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:09 pm

tooler wrote:I look forward to Nene destroying whomever we roll out at power forward, causing the board to meltdown.

250 pound Nene vs 220 pound AG?

Nemesis21 · Post #29 » by **Nemesis21** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:15 pm

ezzzp · Post #30 » by **ezzzp** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:00 pm

Crabman · Post #31 » by **Crabman** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:56 pm

tooler wrote:I look forward to Nene destroying whomever we roll out at power forward, causing the board to meltdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUY3iA5oeg
I look forward to seeing how Gordon destroys Nene's lazy ass in transition and off the dribble. Lol

Post #32 » by **Def Swami** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:58 pm

tooler wrote:I look forward to Nene destroying whomever we roll out at power forward, causing the board to meltdown.

If that Gordon jumper we saw in SL is legit, I think we can get the better end of that matchup. Or others of the like throughout the season.

woosah · Post #33 » by **woosah** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:19 pm

Meh we are young and have legs so just gotta deal.

I just wish it was time to start already. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ezzzp · Post #34 » by **ezzzp** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:07 pm

Def Swami wrote:
tooler wrote:I look forward to Nene destroying whomever we roll out at power forward, causing the board to meltdown.

If that Gordon jumper we saw in SL is legit, I think we can get the better end of that matchup. Or others of the like throughout the season.

The Gordon expectations need to be tempered, he'll improve some but he will still be a 19yr old who shot .271 from 3pt range last year. A .50 increase still makes him a (.321) a pretty low % 3pt shooter...Harris had a huge jump in % in one offseason, so its definitely possible.

But still, we can't ignore that the summer league performance was vs mostly raw college kids on squads made of players and coaches that were together for first time that week - and the reality is that of each of those summer teams, maybe 1 guy from each squad ever plays a minute in the NBA.

...and now he will have sat out most of the summer because of the jaw fracture...and likely have to wear a mask in early part of season vs NBA seasoned men + if paired with Harris will be undersized vs nearly all of them.

Post #35 » by **Def Swami** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:32 pm

ezzzp wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
tooler wrote:I look forward to Nene destroying whomever we roll out at power forward, causing the board to meltdown.

If that Gordon jumper we saw in SL is legit, I think we can get the better end of that matchup. Or others of the like throughout the season.

The Gordon expectations need to be tempered, he'll improve some but he will still be a 19yr old who shot .271 from 3pt range last year. A .50 increase still makes him a (.321) a pretty low % 3pt shooter...Harris had a huge jump in % in one offseason, so its definitely possible.

But still, we can't ignore that the summer league performance was vs mostly raw college kids on squads made of players and coaches that were together for first time that week - and the reality is that of each of those summer teams, maybe 1 guy from each squad ever plays a minute in the NBA.

...and now he will have sat out most of the summer because of the jaw fracture...and likely have to wear a mask in early part of season vs NBA seasoned men + if paired with Harris will be undersized vs nearly all of them.

I'm definitely not banking on it. I doubt we just hand him the ball and place him isolation or run a lot of high pick n' roll with him like we did in SL. But if he can hit the occasional spot up 3 when open just to keep defenses honest, similar to Draymond Green (~32-34% from 3), I think we'll be all the better for it and it'll help counteract the defensive liability we have in our front court.

ezzzp · Post #36 » by **ezzzp** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:12 pm

Def Swami wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
Def Swami wrote:If that Gordon jumper we saw in SL is legit, I think we can get the better end of that matchup. Or others of the like throughout the season.

The Gordon expectations need to be tempered, he'll improve some but he will still be a 19yr old who shot .271 from 3pt range last year. A .50 increase still makes him a (.321) a pretty low % 3pt shooter...Harris had a huge jump in % in one offseason, so its definitely possible.

But still, we can't ignore that the summer league performance was vs mostly raw college kids on squads made of players and coaches that were together for first time that week - and the reality is that of each of those summer teams, maybe 1 guy from each squad ever plays a minute in the NBA.

...and now he will have sat out most of the summer because of the jaw fracture...and likely have to wear a mask in early part of season vs NBA seasoned men + if paired with Harris will be undersized vs nearly all of them.

I'm definitely not banking on it. I doubt we just hand him the ball and place him isolation or run a lot of high pick n' roll with him like we did in SL. But if he can hit the occasional spot up 3 when open just to keep defenses honest, similar to Draymond Green (~32-34% from 3), I think we'll be all the better for it and it'll help counteract the defensive liability we have in our front court.

Green works that way because the majority of his minutes he is flanked by Curry (.443), Thompson (.439), and Barnes (.409) and Kerr's beautiful offensive system. Gordon would be flanked by Payton (.262), Oladipo (.339), and Harris (.364) ...so unless that trio seriously ups their %'s it's not going to work like you think. Also, on the other end, Green's performance is tremendously enhanced by Bogut + Barnes' defense, not so much for Gordon with Vuc and Harris. Also, Green is entering his prime - 25, 6 years older than Gordon.

A lot of if's have to occur for a Gordon/Harris/Vuc front court to work. There is a reason Hennigan offered a max deal to a PF who'll turn 31 next season. I really hope it works, but i'm definitely not convinced it can. Hopefully I'm totally wrong.

Crabman · Post #37 » by **Crabman** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:41 pm

ezzzp wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
The Gordon expectations need to be tempered, he'll improve some but he will still be a 19yr old who shot .271 from 3pt range last year. A .50 increase still makes him a (.321) a pretty low % 3pt shooter...Harris had a huge jump in % in one offseason, so its definitely possible.

But still, we can't ignore that the summer league performance was vs mostly raw college kids on squads made of players and coaches that were together for first time that week - and the reality is that of each of those summer teams, maybe 1 guy from each squad ever plays a minute in the NBA.

...and now he will have sat out most of the summer because of the jaw fracture...and likely have to wear a mask in early part of season vs NBA seasoned men + if paired with Harris will be undersized vs nearly all of them.

I'm definitely not banking on it. I doubt we just hand him the ball and place him isolation or run a lot of high pick n' roll with him like we did in SL. But if he can hit the occasional spot up 3 when open just to keep defenses honest, similar to Draymond Green (~32-34% from 3), I think we'll be all the better for it and it'll help counteract the defensive liability we have in our front court.

Green works that way because the majority of his minutes he is flanked by Curry (.443), Thompson (.439), and Barnes (.409) and Kerr's beautiful offensive system. Gordon would be flanked by Payton (.262), Oladipo (.339), and Harris (.364) ...so unless that trio seriously ups their %'s it's not going to work like you think. Also, on the other end, Green's performance is tremendously enhanced by Bogut + Barnes' defense, not so much for Gordon with Vuc and Harris. Also, Green is entering his prime - 25, 6 years older than Gordon.

A lot of if's have to occur for a Gordon/Harris/Vuc front court to work. There is a reason Hennigan offered a max deal to a PF who'll turn 31 next season. I really hope it works, but i'm definitely not convinced it can. Hopefully I'm totally wrong.

On the other hand, the Warriors don't have players like Dipo and Payton that can get to the paint at will. Curry is good, but theres a reason he settles for long jumpers too many times. They also dont have a big man like Vucevic that can draw double teams. Green shoots open threes, Gordon will have to do the same no matter how those open threes come.

As for the defense, well they won't form the best defensive front court like the Warriors have, but they'll be good enough. We have players that can switch. Harris has some decent potential on defense. IMO with the help of Skiles and Gordon he can be a positive on that end. Good thing we have potentially the best defensive back court to take the pressure off those guys. Also Gordon is taller and more athletic than Green, I think he has more potential as a rim protector.

I really don't see how Millsap was any indication that Hennigan doesn't trust our front court will eventually work. Gordon is only 19, Hennigan knows he's a few years away from reaching his prime. Hezonja is still a rookie. Rob was aiming for the play offs next year, and with our young guys its going to be hard. If anything Millsap was going to help the young guys develop faster. Hell by the time Millsap's contract expires, Gordon would've just turned 23 (same age as oladipo now).

ezzzp · Post #38 » by **ezzzp** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:27 pm

Crabman wrote:
ezzzp wrote:Green works that way because the majority of his minutes he is flanked by Curry (.443), Thompson (.439), and Barnes (.409) and Kerr's beautiful offensive system. Gordon would be flanked by Payton (.262), Oladipo (.339), and Harris (.364) ...so unless that trio seriously ups their %'s it's not going to work like you think. Also, on the other end, Green's performance is tremendously enhanced by Bogut + Barnes' defense, not so much for Gordon with Vuc and Harris. Also, Green is entering his prime - 25, 6 years older than Gordon.

A lot of if's have to occur for a Gordon/Harris/Vuc front court to work. There is a reason Hennigan offered a max deal to a PF who'll turn 31 next season. I really hope it works, but i'm definitely not convinced it can. Hopefully I'm totally wrong.

On the other hand, the Warriors don't have players like Dipo and Payton that can get to the paint at will. Curry is good, but theres a reason he settles for long jumpers too many times. They also dont have a big man like Vucevic that can draw double teams. Green shoots open threes, Gordon will have to do the same no matter how those open threes come.

As for the defense, well they won't form the best defensive front court like the Warriors have, but they'll be good enough. We have players that can switch. Harris has some decent potential on defense. IMO with the help of Skiles and Gordon he can be a positive on that end. Good thing we have potentially the best defensive back court to take the pressure off those guys. Also Gordon is taller and more athletic than Green, I think he has more potential as a rim protector.

I really don't see how Millsap was any indication that Hennigan doesn't trust our front court will eventually work. Gordon is only 19, Hennigan knows he's a few years away from reaching his prime. Hezonja is still a rookie. Rob was aiming for the play offs next year, and with our young guys its going to be hard. If anything Millsap was going to help the young guys develop faster. Hell by the time Millsap's contract expires, Gordon would've just turned 23 (same age as oladipo now).

Huh? Curry is better than good at getting anywhere and its not really "settling" for long shots when you're recognized as one of the best (if not the best ever) shooters in NBA history:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB1yk_Oxi0o[/youtube]

Curry also gets into the paint very well and scores very efficiently while there (4.4ppg at 53.4%) and Thompson is nearly as good (3.7ppg at 48.3%) ... meanwhile EP (4.8ppg at 43.4%) and VO (5.9ppg at 41.1%) both get there but shoot at terrible efficiency.

Luckily Vuc does draw double teams, but that is really only an advantage if the rest of his teammates on the floor can make the defense pay by hitting threes (which thus far none of Gordon, Oladipo, Payton or Harris have proven to be able to consistently do).

Skiles will improve the defense, but turning a bottom 3 defense into a top 10 defense without key personnel changes is going to take some time, not one training camp and a pre season.

I didn't say Hennigan doesn't believe the front court of Vuc/Gordon/Harris won't work in the future...or at least that's not what I'm trying to say....to me offering a max contract to a legit starting PF ensures his #4 pick or Harris goes to the bench for at minimum a year or two - that indicates he didn't think they'd be ready for at least another year.

Crabman · Post #39 » by **Crabman** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:35 am

Did you not watch the play offs? Curry was chucking 3s a lot of times, when any other elite player would've tried attacking the rim to make something happen. Yes he's one of the greatest all time at shooting, but he's also a chucker(i.e. throws up fadeaway threes when he should be getting his teammates more involved). It works a lot of times because he's just so good, but sometimes it doesn't. He's not a player that will attack the rim no matter who is there, but he is great when he does.

Payton was just a rookie last year, his % in the paint was fine. Rookies tend to struggle in that area. Oladipo is already good at finishing at the rim (57%). That will only improve once our outside shooting does. I don't know if Payton ever becomes a good shooter, but I have faith in everyone else. Hennigan drafts based on work ethic, but its going to take time to come to fruition in terms of on court results. In time they'll find their shots, so we will be more efficient off the Vucevic double teams. I just dont think we should be so focused on how they do next year. Coaching can make a huge difference, we very well might jump into the top 10 in defense (multiple teams rise and fall every year). I think we'll finish 10-15 though. I don't expect the Magic to take off until 2-3 years. That's when we're hopefully approaching 50 wins. I'm not even sure why we're comparing a team that just came off a 25 win season to one that came off a 67 win season lol. The point was that Vucevic, Oladipo, Payton and Harris (if he can improve his passing) can draw defenders towards them to open up shots for Gordon at the perimeter.

Obviously Millsap would've pushed someone to the bench, but again Gordon is basically as old as these rookies coming in. Who cares if he comes off the bench? There's enough playing time for 8 guys to get 30mpg. That's Payton, dipo, Gordon, Harris, hezonja, vucevic, Fournier, Millsap. We also don't know if we would've resigned Harris, so you can replace him with 15mpg of Watson and Dedmon.

Orlwillbeback · Post #40 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:53 am

You lost all credibility when you painted our back court in a positive light and called the MVP a chucker lol.

Ballboys man....