Where does Vucevic rank among centers?

Post #61 » by **Bensational** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:21 am

Immature Luigi wrote:Well let's see, for me I can count on one hand how many centers I would take over him......hell maybe just a few fingers

i don't think his rank as a C matters much, as it's more to do with where he ranks as a top 2 option on a team (which is what he is right now). if Vuc isn't being used at the level he currently is, and if he were more a #3 or #4 option, then his offensive input doesn't pull as much weight and his defense/rebounding is all that matters. how good he'll be on defense remains to be seen.

Even as a Top 2 offensive option, though, he'd rank pretty highly for me. I'd take him over anyone that's Green, would consider taking him over anyone that's Orange, but definitely wouldn't take him over anyone that's Red. I only count 11 teams with two superior Top 2 options already, and 14 with at least 1 superior option. Some of the orange maybe guys are either too old (despite maybe being better right now), or are too young but still have big upside, and that's what would give me pause.

ATL - Horford / Millsap / Teague
BRK - Lopez / JJ
BOS - Lee / Thomas
CHA - Kemba / Jefferson
CHI - Butler / Rose / Gasol
CLE - LeBron / Irving / Love
DAL - Dirk / Deron
DEN - Gallinari / Chandler
DET - Jackson / Drummond
GSW - Curry / Klay
HOU - Harden / Dwight
IND - George / Monta
LAC - CP3 / Griffin
LAL - Kobe / Russell
MEM - Gasol / ZBo
MIA - Wade / Bosh / Dragic
MIN - Wiggins / KAT
MIL - MCW / Monroe / Jabari
NOH - Davis / Tyreke
NYK - Melo / AA
OKC - Durant / Westbrook
PHI - Okafor / Noel
PHO - Knight / Bledsoe
POR - Lillard / Henderson
SAS - LMA / Kawhi / Parker / Duncan
SAC - Cousins / Gay / Rondo
TOR - DeRozan / Lowry
UTA - Hayward / Favors / Gobert
WAS - Wall / Beal

Crabman · Post #62 » by **Crabman** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:39 am

Cousins and Hayward should be in red, or at least orange for Hayward.
Jackson in orange, Drummond in green (can't even shoot 40% FT)
I don't understand how you have Russell in orange, but Okafor in green. Jahlil is a much better scorer than Russell.
I would probably take him over Rose as well, he's been terrible lately. Same for Deron.
Lopez in orange.

JMO

Post #63 » by **Bensational** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:41 am

Crabman wrote:Cousins and Hayward should be in red, or at least orange for Hayward.
Jackson in orange, Drummond in green (can't even shoot 40% FT)
I don't understand how you have Russell in orange, but Okafor in green. Jahlil is a much better scorer than Russell.
I would probably take him over Rose as well, he's been terrible lately. Same for Deron.
Lopez in orange.

JMO

yeah, it's all completely just my opinion.

i still think Cousins' is just too much hassle to want to build a team around. he's in Orange because i think Vuc is fairly close to him offensively (not as good defensively, but hasn't blatantly taken plays off the way Cousins has in the past), and Vuc gets extra credit for stability.

Hayward really isn't a top 2 option guy. he's a #3 wing with a similar impact to Manu or Pierce, but nooooooowhere near as good.

Jackson could be good, but right now he's certainly not better than Vuc. Drummond is in orange because he's got the potential to be a two-way player.

Okafor is in green because, IMO, he projects to be an offense only guy, but he hasn't shown he can do that just yet. Vuc has. Russell is in orange because i can see Steph Curry/Brad Beal potential in him, and if he can reach those levels i'd take him over Vuc.

Deron, i agree with you, i've just got him down in case a change of scene reignites his passion and we see some vintage Deron again. Rose is in red because i still think he can find form, but i can completely understand your view.

Lopez is shite, and an injury risk.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #64 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:29 pm

Stopped in to say...Top 5..Haters can deal with it.

Post #65 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:37 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/646046652445368320[/tweet]

orlando1214 · Post #66 » by **orlando1214** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:26 am

Def Swami wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/646046652445368320[/tweet]

Yeah I saw that today and I think they did a good job with the rankings. Gasol and Cousins are definitely 1 and 2, but there are definitely a handful of guys after that who are very good and could pretty much be ranked tied, and that's where I put Vuc. It really comes down to personal opinion with them, it's not as clear cut obvious as Gasol and Cousins are.

BadMofoPimp · Post #67 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:34 am

It is official. Vooch is a top 5 Center!!!

Optimus_Steel · Post #68 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:50 am

News flash: Vuc is pretty damm good

The Real Dalic · Post #69 » by **The Real Dalic** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:34 am

2K has it right. He's definitely in the 5-9 range as much as people wanna downplay him and wish for someone else just because they're on another team.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #70 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:15 pm

I wanted to remind everyone that Vuc is a top 5 center...

Blue_and_Whte · Post #71 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:17 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:2K has it right. He's definitely in the 5-9 range as much as people wanna downplay him and wish for someone else just because they're on another team.

This is common around here. People always want a player from another team because he does something different than our guy.

MitchellUK · Post #72 » by **MitchellUK** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:53 pm

Assuming everyone is 100% healthy, for me personally you can rank him anywhere from 6-10

You've got the top two-way guys - Cousins, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan. That they strongly impact the game at both ends (even if Cousins will occasionally take plays completely off) automatically puts them ahead of Vuc.

After that, it becomes a matter of team make-up, style of play and preference. If you have an offensive minded PF who doesn't play much D, you will want defense and rebounding from your centre first and foremost, so guys like Drummond and DeAndre Jordan would probably rank ahead of Vuc. If you were a team who already had shot blocking and rim protection from your power forward, then I imagine you would take Nikola next.

T-Cat · Post #73 » by **T-Cat** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:02 pm

Hilltop wrote:Guys I would take over Vucevic at the moment:

1. Cousins
2. Howard
3. Gasol
4. Jordan
5. Horford
6. Duncan
7. Whiteside

Not sure if I would pick Drummond or Lopez over him but you could certainly make that argument. Regardless, he is definitely Top 10.

In theory, you would swap Howard for Vucevic by the trade deadline to improve our playoff chances?

And by a show of hands, how many of you guys
will trade TH12 and *gulp* Oladipo for LB23 by trade deadline? We could possibly win a championship this year!

Hennigan are you listening? Lol

Orlwillbeback · Post #74 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:18 pm

The centers primary job is to protect the rim but, oh man, our center is so wet from midrange (sigh)

T-Cat · Post #75 » by **T-Cat** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:57 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:The centers primary job is to protect the rim but, oh man, our center is so wet from midrange (sigh)

Hence our woeful team record year in year out... :roll:

silent1900 · Post #76 » by **silent1900** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:41 pm

silent1900 wrote:Over the last year or so I've started equating Vuc with Al Jefferson. Different play style, certainly, but both have very good counting stats, occasionally put up a monster statistical game, but neither has shown any ability to actually impact wins and losses.

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Vuc rating: 83
Big Al rating: 83

Sometimes I even amaze myself.

Orlwillbeback · Post #77 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:57 pm

I can see vuc going to the bench next year with AG and dedmon starting eventually.

Rick Rolled · Post #78 » by **Rick Rolled** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:13 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:I can see vuc going to the bench next year with AG and dedmon starting eventually.

Even though Skiles is a gung-ho defensive coach, I don't see any scenario where that could possibly happen outside of an injury issue.

OrlandO · Post #79 » by **OrlandO** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:02 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:I can see vuc going to the bench next year with AG and dedmon starting eventually.

He'd foul out every other game unless his minutes were limited.

AshBlackstone · Post #80 » by **AshBlackstone** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:27 am

Rudy Gobert is the 4th best center in the NBA? I would like some of what the OP is smoking.