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rcklsscognition wrote:And regarding what is the long-term answer. Well, the answer is that the better player gets more minutes and if we have too many good players at one position and they start bitching about minutes, you make the best trade you can. We're not there yet, but we may be there this summer if we can't match Fournier. We have options.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Gordon will be a PF when all is said and done as he grows into his body.
Hezonga will be the SF of the future.
I expect Harris to be moved 2-3 years down road.
Patrick1978 wrote:Skin wrote:rcklsscognition wrote:I think Gordon is playing well. Unfortunately Fournier is playing better and I don't think AG is a PF, and the coaching staff might not want him at the 4 so much. We've also now got Frye being very efficient and contributing on rebounds.
Until some of our defenders can score, we're going to have to sacrifice on one end for our offense.
This. I was about to mention the same thing. Glad you said it first.
Perhaps it's wiser to sit him than ruin his development by playing him at PF. I would hate it if Aaron started to feel like his only chance at getting on the court is as a PF and then proceed to try and turn himself into one. He'll be the next Derrick Williams / Anthony Bennett story if that happens.
Evan's play is not shocking to Magic fans, but it is surpassing expectations. It's not like we all rushed to draft him in our fantasy drafts...and don't we all regret not picking him up off the wire first? lol. If Henny saw this coming, I doubt we would've taken Hezonja. I won't bash the player, but I do think it was a miscalculation on Henny's part. The whole idea of drafting Hezonja felt like a mistrust in our current assets, but we're shooting for the moon here, so hopefully we get our Superstar in him.
Between Fournier playing 30+ min and Hezonja also getting time, I don't see ANY place for Gordon to have the proper opportunity to develop into a star here. It's killin' me inside.
Why you say gordon can t play pf?he was drafted as a pf and played also pf at arizona.
Skin wrote:Patrick1978 wrote:Skin wrote:This. I was about to mention the same thing. Glad you said it first.
Perhaps it's wiser to sit him than ruin his development by playing him at PF. I would hate it if Aaron started to feel like his only chance at getting on the court is as a PF and then proceed to try and turn himself into one. He'll be the next Derrick Williams / Anthony Bennett story if that happens.
Evan's play is not shocking to Magic fans, but it is surpassing expectations. It's not like we all rushed to draft him in our fantasy drafts...and don't we all regret not picking him up off the wire first? lol. If Henny saw this coming, I doubt we would've taken Hezonja. I won't bash the player, but I do think it was a miscalculation on Henny's part. The whole idea of drafting Hezonja felt like a mistrust in our current assets, but we're shooting for the moon here, so hopefully we get our Superstar in him.
Between Fournier playing 30+ min and Hezonja also getting time, I don't see ANY place for Gordon to have the proper opportunity to develop into a star here. It's killin' me inside.
Why you say gordon can t play pf?he was drafted as a pf and played also pf at arizona.
Umm... no. He played SF at Arizona.
Not sure it is so easy to say he was drafted as a PF. He was a tweener SF/PF during the draft process and people today STILL discuss which position is best for him... It's not black or white at all.
Curious... if you thought he was a PF draft prospect, are there other PF draft prospects that you compared or would've compared him to?
Skin wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Gordon will be a PF when all is said and done as he grows into his body.
Hezonga will be the SF of the future.
I expect Harris to be moved 2-3 years down road.
How much more weight do you think he needs to add?
OrlandoNed wrote:Skin wrote:Patrick1978 wrote:Why you say gordon can t play pf?he was drafted as a pf and played also pf at arizona.
Umm... no. He played SF at Arizona.
Not sure it is so easy to say he was drafted as a PF. He was a tweener SF/PF during the draft process and people today STILL discuss which position is best for him... It's not black or white at all.
Curious... if you thought he was a PF draft prospect, are there other PF draft prospects that you compared or would've compared him to?
Um no, he played PF in college. Here's the roster of the last college game he played.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400549675
Don't make crap up.
Skin wrote:OrlandoNed wrote:Skin wrote:Umm... no. He played SF at Arizona.
Not sure it is so easy to say he was drafted as a PF. He was a tweener SF/PF during the draft process and people today STILL discuss which position is best for him... It's not black or white at all.
Curious... if you thought he was a PF draft prospect, are there other PF draft prospects that you compared or would've compared him to?
Um no, he played PF in college. Here's the roster of the last college game he played.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400549675
Don't make crap up.
Well, you're making up crap if you're saying he didn't play SF at Zona. In fact, the truth lies in between. He started his college career as a SF, but Zona moved him to PF towards the end of the season when Brandon Ashley broke his foot. He wanted to play SF because he wanted to prove to NBA scouts that he could play the position. Following him from HS to college that was among the popular draft stories at the time.
Coming into the draft, the position that he would play was a big issue of debate... and it still is today.
The past is neither here nor there... the issue still remains... How will Aaron Gordon be the best player he can be? Right now, he's got to be disappointed with himself and how the team has handled his playing time.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Skin wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Gordon will be a PF when all is said and done as he grows into his body.
Hezonga will be the SF of the future.
I expect Harris to be moved 2-3 years down road.
How much more weight do you think he needs to add?
Like Rodman did, about 20-30lbs.
Rodman was lighter and skinnier as a rookie at 23. Then, he played SF for 2 years exclusively before developing into a PF.
Gordon is already solidly built like PF. All I can say is wait and see because Gordon will always be a full time PF who plays situational SF regardless how much people wish he wasn't.
MagicStarwipe wrote:We're not doing our best to develop him into the best player he can be, period. We're basically telling the player with the most raw talent and highest ceiling on the team to "get in where you fit in around these other guys". Even if that is out of position. Why the hell do we have him hovering around the paint trying to post up PF's (and even C's in some cases) all game? Why have we not taken advantage of his ability to handle and pass the ball? We should seriously let him run some pick and rolls. How about his improved shooting off the dribble? When do we let him do that? Why is he catching the ball at the top of the 3 point line with his defender 10 feet off of him and not even looking at the rim? In a lot of cases this season he is being guarded by slower PF's. That's a mismatch. Why aren't we taking advantage of that? Instead we have him posting them up and it becomes a mismatch not in our favour. Why is he never guarding the other teams best perimeter players?
And our fans are fine with this as they themselves don't even seem to realise how much underused skill and untapped potential he really has. Will we ever give him the chance to tap into the type of player he can truly be? Is our #4 pick ever going to be able to make and learn from his mistakes? Probably not on this team it seems like. But another team will give him that chance. And if we haven't crushed his confidence too much by that time, I know he's going to make us regret it. And we'll still be here waiting for Evan Fournier and Tobias Harris to lead us to the promised land.
Orlwillbeback wrote:MagicStarwipe wrote:We're not doing our best to develop him into the best player he can be, period. We're basically telling the player with the most raw talent and highest ceiling on the team to "get in where you fit in around these other guys". Even if that is out of position. Why the hell do we have him hovering around the paint trying to post up PF's (and even C's in some cases) all game? Why have we not taken advantage of his ability to handle and pass the ball? We should seriously let him run some pick and rolls. How about his improved shooting off the dribble? When do we let him do that? Why is he catching the ball at the top of the 3 point line with his defender 10 feet off of him and not even looking at the rim? In a lot of cases this season he is being guarded by slower PF's. That's a mismatch. Why aren't we taking advantage of that? Instead we have him posting them up and it becomes a mismatch not in our favour. Why is he never guarding the other teams best perimeter players?
And our fans are fine with this as they themselves don't even seem to realise how much underused skill and untapped potential he really has. Will we ever give him the chance to tap into the type of player he can truly be? Is our #4 pick ever going to be able to make and learn from his mistakes? Probably not on this team it seems like. But another team will give him that chance. And if we haven't crushed his confidence too much by that time, I know he's going to make us regret it. And we'll still be here waiting for Evan Fournier and Tobias Harris to lead us to the promised land.
Mate, this obsession you have is starting to worry the rest of us....
Alright whatever. I'm sick of posting the same thing over and over again. The incompetence of this franchise leaves me no choice.
MagicStarwipe wrote:Orlwillbeback wrote:MagicStarwipe wrote:We're not doing our best to develop him into the best player he can be, period. We're basically telling the player with the most raw talent and highest ceiling on the team to "get in where you fit in around these other guys". Even if that is out of position. Why the hell do we have him hovering around the paint trying to post up PF's (and even C's in some cases) all game? Why have we not taken advantage of his ability to handle and pass the ball? We should seriously let him run some pick and rolls. How about his improved shooting off the dribble? When do we let him do that? Why is he catching the ball at the top of the 3 point line with his defender 10 feet off of him and not even looking at the rim? In a lot of cases this season he is being guarded by slower PF's. That's a mismatch. Why aren't we taking advantage of that? Instead we have him posting them up and it becomes a mismatch not in our favour. Why is he never guarding the other teams best perimeter players?
And our fans are fine with this as they themselves don't even seem to realise how much underused skill and untapped potential he really has. Will we ever give him the chance to tap into the type of player he can truly be? Is our #4 pick ever going to be able to make and learn from his mistakes? Probably not on this team it seems like. But another team will give him that chance. And if we haven't crushed his confidence too much by that time, I know he's going to make us regret it. And we'll still be here waiting for Evan Fournier and Tobias Harris to lead us to the promised land.
Mate, this obsession you have is starting to worry the rest of us....
Orlwillbeback wrote:MagicStarwipe wrote:Orlwillbeback wrote:
Mate, this obsession you have is starting to worry the rest of us....
I can't see that what is it? is it a link to his summer league performances?
MagicStarwipe wrote:We're not doing our best to develop him into the best player he can be, period. We're basically telling the player with the most raw talent and highest ceiling on the team to "get in where you fit in around these other guys". Even if that is out of position. Why the hell do we have him hovering around the paint trying to post up PF's (and even C's in some cases) all game? Why have we not taken advantage of his ability to handle and pass the ball? We should seriously let him run some pick and rolls. How about his improved shooting off the dribble? When do we let him do that? Why is he catching the ball at the top of the 3 point line with his defender 10 feet off of him and not even looking at the rim? In a lot of cases this season he is being guarded by slower PF's. That's a mismatch. Why aren't we taking advantage of that? Instead we have him posting them up and it becomes a mismatch not in our favour. Why is he never guarding the other teams best perimeter players?
And our fans are fine with this as they themselves don't even seem to realise how much underused skill and untapped potential he really has. Will we ever give him the chance to tap into the type of player he can truly be? Is our #4 pick ever going to be able to make and learn from his mistakes? Probably not on this team it seems like. But another team will give him that chance. And if we haven't crushed his confidence too much by that time, I know he's going to make us regret it. And we'll still be here waiting for Evan Fournier and Tobias Harris to lead us to the promised land.
Skin wrote:Patrick1978 wrote:Skin wrote:This. I was about to mention the same thing. Glad you said it first.
Perhaps it's wiser to sit him than ruin his development by playing him at PF. I would hate it if Aaron started to feel like his only chance at getting on the court is as a PF and then proceed to try and turn himself into one. He'll be the next Derrick Williams / Anthony Bennett story if that happens.
Evan's play is not shocking to Magic fans, but it is surpassing expectations. It's not like we all rushed to draft him in our fantasy drafts...and don't we all regret not picking him up off the wire first? lol. If Henny saw this coming, I doubt we would've taken Hezonja. I won't bash the player, but I do think it was a miscalculation on Henny's part. The whole idea of drafting Hezonja felt like a mistrust in our current assets, but we're shooting for the moon here, so hopefully we get our Superstar in him.
Between Fournier playing 30+ min and Hezonja also getting time, I don't see ANY place for Gordon to have the proper opportunity to develop into a star here. It's killin' me inside.
Why you say gordon can t play pf?he was drafted as a pf and played also pf at arizona.
Umm... no. He played SF at Arizona.
Not sure it is so easy to say he was drafted as a PF. He was a tweener SF/PF during the draft process and people today STILL discuss which position is best for him... It's not black or white at all.
Curious... if you thought he was a PF draft prospect, are there other PF draft prospects that you compared or would've compared him to?
SOUL wrote:I'm not panicking as much as Starwipe lol, but every year there are players that deserve to play that clearly don't because the coach is too attached to certain players.
AG is clearly valuable in games (and when he gets the opportunity, he seems to have been making the most of it) - what worries me more is people saying things like he's not ready or maybe he's not good when we've literally seen him impact the game and during the game people are clamoring for AG to play because they saw him add stuff to the game which helped our team.
Skiles doesn't need excuses made for him - either he's on some limit or not, and he does deserve more minutes. There's no denying that. We're 4-5, not 6-2 or anything and arguably could've gave us 2 wins if we stayed with AG longer when he was doing damage.
I don't think this is indicative of what minutes he'll get in the future or anything, and they still might be easing him back. Still doesn't mean that every choice Skiles makes for the team is the right choice. Arguably any teams fans can question stuff like this unless you're the Spurs or Warriors or something.
