UCF Sport Business Program?

[mhectorgato]

As far as the academia though, it is totally unproven that UCF > USF. I don't care what your family and friends say, I presented you with facts (i.e. not a tier 1 research school, greatly reduced funding, largest undergrad class but the smallest graduate class -- meaning people don't stay there to continue with their MS/PhD, they either seem to be leaving for UF/FSU/USF).

Well the "facts" say that Arenas/Marburry/Francis are not ball-hogs

[EasternMagic]

Ya i'm not very well informed on how good all the departments of UCF are but i do know that it is a fact that UCF is one of the best schools for business in the country (from what i've read far better than USF) i never attend classes at USF so i dont know nor do i care. I've visited USF and i like the campus in down town St. Pete just cause st pete is nice. but the main campus cant even compare to UCF. They said on the tour they were still building a lot so i suppose it will eventually but as of now UCF's facilities are a lot better. the fitness center is nuts. and we do have a stadium now, and a brand new arena for basketball. But i would think that USF is getting on that seeing how successful their football, soccer, and basketball teams have been recently

All of what im saying is based on my college search from senior year in HS. thats just the stuff i heard from college fairs and guest speakers and hand outs with information on it. Not stating USF is a bad school, cause it most certainly is not. But just from the info i have recieved UCF is supposedly a great business school

[EasternMagic]

Rankings

The UCF College of Business Administration is recognized for its undergraduate and graduate programs.

Undergraduate Program

Ranked among the "Best 282 Business Schools" (Princeton Review, 2007)
Ranked among the top 100 undergraduate programs in the nation (Business Week, 2007)
DeVos Sport Business Management

Ranked among the top 5 Sport Business Management programs in the US (Wall Street Journal, Sept. 16, 2006).

[theTHIEF]

isn't there something like a 40 student per semester or year limit with that DeVos program?

[N4U|Redux]

Rankings

The UCF College of Business Administration is recognized for its undergraduate and graduate programs.

Undergraduate Program

Ranked among the "Best 282 Business Schools" (Princeton Review, 2007)
Ranked among the top 100 undergraduate programs in the nation (Business Week, 2007)
DeVos Sport Business Management

Ranked among the top 5 Sport Business Management programs in the US (Wall Street Journal, Sept. 16, 2006).

I never said they don't have a sport business program -- I don't even know what the hell that program is so how would I know.

I have a subscription to US News which is one of the de facto standards on top schools, and UCF did not place in their top business schools (neither did USF) -- they did not have a sport business subsection though.

The only place I noticed USF or UCF on any of the lists was in health for USF and in computer engineering for UCF.

Evidently the sport business management school is a great program and you should definitely try to get in there.

P.S. On USF's looks as you mentioned -- it was voted the most aesthetically pleasing architectural school in the state in 2005 I believe it was. Nuff said.

[theTHIEF]

this is a fun argument...i'd like to get in on it, but I graduated from Miami...

[N4U|Redux]

this is a fun argument...i'd like to get in on it, but I graduated from Miami...

Go ahead, Miami trumps most of what USF and UCF do, lol

It's hard to tell how much money they actually get in endowments because they're private though, so it's hard to gauge them in that traditional manner.

As far as I've heard though, USF is a "top two" in the state for reseach institutions behind UF (we're real proud of that, despite that not putting us in the top 100 in the country) and top three for expenditures (just recently passed UM in the past year, still behind UF hugely and FSU slightly). Even while I've been a student we've surpassed FSU and UM in that small time frame.

If I stick around for my PhD hopefully we'll only be behind UF in both matters, we need to take down FSU's expenditures though...almost there...

[theTHIEF]

Miami is a good school really, maybe not as strong academically as they could be...I was really pushing for my cousin to play football for them, but he went elsewhere...

at the same time UCF and USF are also very good schools...

[magicfan4life05]

N4U|Redux, you see really informed on this topic and id love to hear your opinion, what do you think of uf vs ucf? This is/was a huge issue for me while ago and is still is (somewhat) but which would you recommend for undergrad for possibly engineering.

[EasternMagic]

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I never said they don't have a sport business program -- I don't even know what the hell that program is so how would I know.

I have a subscription to US News which is one of the de facto standards on top schools, and UCF did not place in their top business schools (neither did USF) -- they did not have a sport business subsection though.

The only place I noticed USF or UCF on any of the lists was in health for USF and in computer engineering for UCF.

Evidently the sport business management school is a great program and you should definitely try to get in there.

P.S. On USF's looks as you mentioned -- it was voted the most aesthetically pleasing architectural school in the state in 2005 I believe it was. Nuff said.

lol im not trying to piss you off im just showing what i read and based my college search on. and thoses rankings werent just about the sports business they were about the business school as a whole. 2005? its 2008 man ucf has changed dramatically. USF isnt a ugly school at all UCF is just a lot further along and after visiting both i would say based on my opinion UCF has a nicer campuse with nicer facilities.

[N4U|Redux]

lol im not trying to piss you off im just showing what i read and based my college search on. and thoses rankings werent just about the sports business they were about the business school as a whole. 2005? its 2008 man ucf has changed dramatically. USF isnt a ugly school at all UCF is just a lot further along and after visiting both i would say based on my opinion UCF has a nicer campuse with nicer facilities.

Yeah, 2005 was so long ago

I would go and research who is the winner now, but it's not yearly they go around and judge the schools because the reason stated above, so I'm not even sure if there is a new winner yet. I'd love to hear how your school has somehow surpassed us in 3 years when we've been having budget cuts and you get ~1/4 the funding that we do (i.e. you cannot afford improvements as much).

[N4U|Redux]

N4U|Redux, you see really informed on this topic and id love to hear your opinion, what do you think of uf vs ucf? This is/was a huge issue for me while ago and is still is (somewhat) but which would you recommend for undergrad for possibly engineering.

I have a bitter hatred for UF, which is the main reason I didn't go there.

At the same time I wanted to stay near home so I was deciding between USF/UCF/UF essentially (FSU was too far). Given that I ruled out UF for stupid bias reasons, after I visited both UCF and USF I decided to go to USF because UCF is poorly funded and USF is one of the most up-and-coming schools in the country both in sports and research funding.

If you do not have a hatred for UF, there isn't much reason to not go there, it's hands down the best school in the state in virtually everything. It's the only school we have in the top 50 overall, and it's the only school that is a tier 1. USF, FSU, and UCF are all tier 3 research universities overall (not quite sure on FSU, but I think it is tier 3).

I'd figure out how close you want to be to home (if either is closer) whether farther or closer, if that isn't too important to you, they're both very large schools, they both have good engineering programs, and they both have a lot of girls and parties (if you're into either of those). UF will get you a lot of reputation if you ever leave the state though.

This is one of the reasons I opted to get a graduate degree, I'm worried about my Florida degree looking like crap outside of the state.

Also, go visit both schools, you don't necessarily need to tour them, but get a feel for the campuses and the student body and such.

BTW - I looked it up for you and UF is the only Florida college ranked in the top 50 for the nation (#26) in engineering schools. It is ahead of schools such as Yale, Duke, and UNC among others. You will not get a better engineering degree in the state. Period. If you have a specific subject you'd like me to look up let me know (i.e. chemical engineering).

[N4U|Redux]

I went and checked out UF/USF/UCF to see which categories the schools were in the top in...I checked business, engineering, health, law, science, and education.

USF and UCF were not ranked in anything except for education. USF was #48, UCF was #58. That's it. FSU was only ranked in education and law, which it placed at #53 in both. Miami was #56 in law, and #70 in medicine; nothing else.

UF was ranked in the top 50 for every program I checked.

[N4U|Redux]

Also checked the avg starting salary for the business schools in FL of those above. You UCF fans will notice something else which correlates well with your lack of funding and UF/UM's great funding.

um: 65k
uf: 66k
fsu: n/a
ucf: 53k
usf: n/a

I didn't notice the avg. starting salary for engineering colleges, but lets just say I'd make more than those numbers above if I worked full time and I haven't even graduated with my grad degree.

I would post the PDFs with these figures, but I pay for these, and am pretty sure I'm not allowed to release them in that case.

[magicfan4life05]

N4U|Redux, i really dont know how to thank you for your time looking up all that information and giving me a very informative post. thanks a lot. btw where do you find these great stats about colleges? i am currently pursuing civil engineering and just like you stated, "You will not get a better engineering degree in the state. Period."

It's not so much my decision on which to attend, primarily because of family/sibling situations who went there and really want me to go there because they feel it's the best, but i'm most afraid about the academic intensity there and the how far it is from home (orlando). But everyone tells me, in the end it will be so well worth it and it's an amazing opportunity. It's still very tough on me though.