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theTHIEF · Post #21 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:51 pm

tjm384 wrote:Bogan's is the best lock down defender? the guy couldn't guard a leaf with no wind

wrong...he might not be lock down, but he's considered a quality defender league wide for a reason...

tjm384 · Post #22 » by **tjm384** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:00 pm

Okay he's a solid defender nothing special

theTHIEF · Post #23 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:00 pm

tjm384 wrote:Okay he's a solid defender nothing special

he's above average...

tjm384 · Post #24 » by **tjm384** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:04 pm

Be that as it may he still needs to be traded

theTHIEF · Post #25 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:06 pm

no he doesnt...you just dont like him and think he needs to be...one of the better 3 point shooters and defenders in the league...quiet, focused, dedicated and ready to do whatever is asked of him on a small salary...i could see where you would want to trade him...not to mention that we might have better options next season when his salary is coming off the books than we would if we traded him now...

JJ and Cook are the traceable assets at this time...Sign Dwayne Jones and Trade JJ+Cook for another piece, call it a day...

mhectorgato · Post #26 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:08 pm

Don't be hatin' on Thief's homie.

tjm384 · Post #27 » by **tjm384** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:08 pm

Yeah just not a fan of Bogans

Rick Rolled · Post #28 » by **Rick Rolled** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:18 pm

I know Keith is regarded as a decent defender....

But doesn't it seem like we were murdered by other teams SG's last year????

I mean, the elite players are gonna get theirs....but.....

I'd just like to find a stat of opposing SG's PPG against us last year......

I, in no way shape or form, think Keith Bogans is one of the better defenders in the league.

mhectorgato · Post #29 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:42 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:I know Keith is regarded as a decent defender....

But doesn't it seem like we were murdered by other teams SG's last year????

I mean, the elite players are gonna get theirs....but.....

I'd just like to find a stat of opposing SG's PPG against us last year......

I, in no way shape or form, think Keith Bogans is one of the better defenders in the league.

I think the rule changes have limited what a perimeter defender can do over the years (hand checking is an example), so there are not many "lock-down" defenders as we've thought about them in the past. But that perception of what makes a very good defender still is in many people's minds.

The league has implemented changes to both the front and back courts as to what can be done defensively to increase the scoring, aka make the game more exciting.

Keyon, who many thought was a very good defender, wasn't a lot more effective than KeBo, imo. Same goes for Mo last year.

Post #30 » by **eyriq** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:20 pm

:hoping theTHIEF never hears me saying JJ can defend as well as Bogans:

Really though, Bogans checks out ok on defensive +-, so he has that going for him. And if you consider how bad most guys are in this league, I guess it's not too much of a stretch to say he is above average.

theTHIEF · Post #31 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:31 pm

i'm hoping that too...

N4U|Redux · Post #32 » by **N4U|Redux** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:54 pm

It's kind of surprising that people think Bogans is an "average" defender.

That's routinely the only thing he's been touted as being good at since he started playing ball even at UK.

Bogans definitely is one of the better defenders of the league and of our roster. I'd rather trade away JJ than Keith.

happypedro12 · Post #33 » by **happypedro12** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:10 pm

Wow I love it. We win 50 games, finish 4th in the east, and completely trounce Toronto in the first round, yet we're not even the favorite to win our own division.

Ask Chris Bosh what he thinks of Dwights "soft" D .

I stopped even caring after that Dwight rip, but then I really knew he was crazy when he said we don't have significant enough outside shooting, I doubt he even watched any of the SE division games.

Oh well, more fuel for the fire.

paperboymafia · Post #34 » by **paperboymafia** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:48 pm

hahahahahaha

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Post #35 » by **Devin 1L** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:07 am

Even if Marcus Blount rarely ventures into the paint.

Big A All Day · Post #36 » by **Big A All Day** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:09 am

I stoped reading at: Written by Charlie Rosen <---- Tool

Rick Rolled · Post #37 » by **Rick Rolled** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:18 am

I'm not saying Keith is bad....

I just really, really, really don't think he's one of the best defenders in the entire NBA.....

I'm going to pay more attention to him when he's on the floor, then maybe i'll see what some of you guys are saying...

If he's a great defender, then that must make the Pietrus signing redundant...

(I know, you can never have TOO MANY good defenders)......

tjm384 · Post #38 » by **tjm384** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:54 am

Time to take a stand as Orlando fans and have someone make a fire charlie rosen website :lol:

mhectorgato · Post #39 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:05 am

Rick Rolled wrote:I'm not saying Keith is bad....

I just really, really, really don't think he's one of the best defenders in the entire NBA.....

I'm going to pay more attention to him when he's on the floor, then maybe i'll see what some of you guys are saying...

If he's a great defender, then that must make the Pietrus signing redundant...

(I know, you can never have TOO MANY good defenders)......

I wouldn't say he's a great defender ... I would say a good defender.

Rick Rolled · Post #40 » by **Rick Rolled** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:09 am

mhectorgato wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:I'm not saying Keith is bad....

I just really, really, really don't think he's one of the best defenders in the entire NBA.....

I'm going to pay more attention to him when he's on the floor, then maybe i'll see what some of you guys are saying...

If he's a great defender, then that must make the Pietrus signing redundant...

(I know, you can never have TOO MANY good defenders)......

I wouldn't say he's a great defender ... I would say a good defender.

Agreed...

I respect everyone's opinion....because like I said, I probably haven't paid Kebo enough attention.....

But I just cannot agree with the statement that he is a top tier NBA defender.

By no means is he a scrub either. He's a solid role player.