SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Skates]

People are missing the point.
1) Iguodala can and will opt of his contract after next season and will get another deal from someone similar to his last deal and we will be left holding the bag. Now is the time to get something for him because "he is our most valuable asset". It has nothing to do with Turner or Iggy vs Turner.

2) He will be playing all offseason in the olymipics with his Achilles tendon problems with little rest.

+1 and that is from a guy who loves Iggy and has greatly owered his expectations for Turner. These are the cold, hard facts. Even if he doesn't make the final Olympic team, that achilles is chronic and those legs have a lot of miles on them.

The other reason they aren't trading Turner, because really, why not trade both guys? He has no reasonable trade value in the league. Unless and until he develops that mid range jump shot he is a spirited, average athlete with versatility and a nice handle. In other words, a glue guy. All you could trade Turner for now is someone else's disappointment. Might as well keep him and hope that he starts hitting that jumper. At worst you dump him or re-sign him as a role player when his rookie deal is up. At best he develops that jumper and becomes a solid starter or top sixth man.

Keeping ET doesn't mean building the team around him, it just means he doesn't get traded this summer.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Oh trust me, I know how far he will need to come to make me change my mind about him. I mean, watching him take a jumper is like torture to me. I do think he will get better shooting wise though. How much better will be the real question though. What I would mainly like to see him get better at is driving the lane and pulling up for the short 5-10 foot jumper (instead of going to the rim and getting trapped/blocked). He did that a lot in college and was real good at it. Anything beyond 15 ft isn't his shot right now. While he has his flaws in the rest of his game, he still in probably the best rebounding SG in the NBA and he's one of the better ball handlers too. The thing that upset me as his minutes grew was that he didn't look to facilitate for other...it was all about him getting his when he put the ball on the floor. If he can get better at finding him teammates, that will help him a lot too. Getting some better shooter and a big who can catch a lob would help a lot too.

I think this is most I have ever supported Turner in the last 2 years...to be honest, I feel a little dirty and should probably focus on something else lol.

[Numb3rs]

Can anyone guess what Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Tayshaun Prince and Dwight Howard have in common?

[Sixerscan]

do tell

[Numb3rs]

I could be wrong, but they are the only active players who have played more regular season games for their current team than Andre Iguodala.

[The Sixer Fixer]

I could be wrong, but they are the only active players who have played more regular season games for their current team than Andre Iguodala.

Ben Wallace has more with Detroit (unless leaving and coming back to Detroit disqualifies him?)

Edit: Nash too with Phoenix (again, left and came back)

[Numb3rs]

I was going with consecutive, I think Wade and Haslem have more as well once you include playoff games.

I just think people are selling out on him considering what he has done for the team. With all the coaching changes and rumors he has had to endure he could have easily just asked for a trade.

[Do the Jrue]

If I was the GM I think I'd look into what a package of Turner, Thad and #15 can get me. Could probably get you Matthews, Felton and #10 from Blazers. Nice backup PG to Jrue like Indy has with Collison, a shooter at SG and a chance to maybe get Waiters, Lamb, Perry Jones or somebody else the Sixers could be eyeing. Maybe Drummond even slips to there if the Kings pass on him. Then you still have Iguodala to either keep with that group along with a couple free agents or you use him as more trade bait. Not saying that Blazers deal would be the best we could get but just using it as an example of a trade that one team would probably agree to. I think we could actually get a pretty nice return out of that package as people really like Thad around the league, Turner still has potential and was the starting SG for a team that was a couple minutes away from the conference finals and that #15 pick is in a deep draft. I would even look into if that deal could get us a big time player by himself like Dwight if we added Vucevic as well. I'd think that the Magic would have a hard time turning that down. It's a lot better deal then just taking a straight swap of Bynum or Lopez.

[NJ SixerFan]

Anyone know how the relationship between dwill and Jefferson was In Utah, would acquiring jefferson with a decent run in the playoffs be something that might lure dwill to Philly ?

[Do the Jrue]

I'm dreaming of a Deron-Jrue-Iggy-Lavoy-Dwight team.....

[daVillian]

I'm honestly shocked that the front office is so willing to trade Iguodala and keep Turner. I'm not an Iguodala lover nor a Turner hater. I like both players and think they each have unique games. I understand Iguoadala's 28 and that he's not a #1 scorer. However, he is a leader and a tremendously hard worker. I wish we could go the Boston route and put stars around him like the Celtics did to Pierce. Deron-Iguodala-Howard. I know chances are slim, but the chances to win a championship around Holiday/ET are slimmer IMO. Will it hurt us to try? Absolutely not. The fact is that without 2 or 3 all-stars on this team, we are not getting out of the East for the next 5 seasons. Boston may be finished, but Miami is still light years ahead of this team and will be until LeBron leaves or until we acquire legit superstars. I've said it before, but if we play our cards right, we can convince Deron and Dwight to play here. Secret: Keep Iguodala and do the best to keep Holiday. All 4 are friends and have a mutual respect for one another.
What would Orlando want for Dwight? Who knows at this point. Was Brook Lopez, Brooks, and 1st round pick really going to net Dwight? Was Andrew Bynum + a few pieces going to? I'm not sure and no source out there has convinced me yet. Our package consisting of Turner, Vucevic, Young, S & T Lou, and picks for Dwight + bad contract (JRich?) would be hard to beat for a rebuilding team. Again, I'm not saying it's likely to happen but I am saying that it is an option and that it would be foolish not to explore it and at least discuss the idea with their agents.

I agree with the big 3 idea of DW, D12 and AI but I think to get the deal done you'd have to be willing to give up Holiday for a couple of reasons. He won't be playing point with Deron here and even though he shoots well you could see that he looked better with the ball in the playoffs. Also, I don't think jrich is really that bad of a contract. For what he is. I mean he's barely making more than kyle korver and can nail a 3 and still has the athletism to defend at a decent level.

Deron/FA
Jrich/meeks
Iguodala/sam young
Allen/moultrie?
D12/Hawes (can go over cap to be re-signed right?)

Big men that can defend and rebound?? can't be!

[Do the Jrue]

I just think it'll be tough to be able to get deron and Dwight in Philly...deron can get more money from the Nets and their now playing in NYC with a ton of marketing opportunities, then with Dwight all they'd have to trade is Lopez and maybe someone like Marshon Brooks. Then they can just resign a very similar player to Iggy in Gerald Wallace and they would still have Morrow (one of the best shooters in the league) to start at SG. Plus they have an owner thats willing to spend whatever it takes. They have pretty much the perfect situation for Deron and Dwight regardless of the two of them being good friends with Iggy and the Sixers having a good season. The Nets are an automatic title contender after that.

[Wilfried]

People are missing the point.
1) Iguodala can and will opt of his contract after next season and will get another deal from someone similar to his last deal and we will be left holding the bag. Now is the time to get something for him because "he is our most valuable asset". It has nothing to do with Turner or Iggy vs Turner.

2) He will be playing all offseason in the olymipics with his Achilles tendon problems with little rest.

I really hope our FO doesn't panic like you do.

If Iguodala opts out at the same moment Brand's contract expires, can you imagine how much money Sixers would have to use when the FA's are much more appealing?

You cannot predict injuries, and Iguodala hardly misses games in his career. I don't know why to think about doom scenarios.

But most people think it's best to have our money stuck to Bargnani, Ed Davis, Kris Humphries in 2013, so we cannot go after James Harden, Chis Paul, Blake Griffin, Dwight Howard, Josh Smith, D-Will, ... .

[Do the Jrue]

Son....Chris Paul and Blake griffin aren't going anywhere, Harden will probably be traded this summer because they know they won't be able to keep both him and Ibaka, Dwight will be traded this summer and Deron is unrestricted this summer. I could definitely see us making a move for Josh Smith though...maybe even this summer. Our defense would be ridiculous with him.

[P2K]

Son....Chris Paul and Blake griffin aren't going anywhere, Harden will probably be traded this summer because they know they won't be able to keep both him and Ibaka, Dwight will be traded this summer and Deron is unrestricted this summer. I could definitely see us making a move for Josh Smith though...maybe even this summer. Our defense would be ridiculous with him.

And still no offense.

Yeah, let's get Josh Smith and make this team even more like the Hawks.