Embiid Updates/Discussion

[Negrodamus]

I don't know what the procedure will be to have this heal correctly or stronger. I assume the bone hasnt fused together to the point where a 7'0 260 lb athlete can constantly pound on it... meaning it's not 100% yet. If that means sitting him for a portion of next season, then so be it.

One thing I don't want to hear is that his navicular will never be 100%. Then we have a problem.

[rzzzzz]

if the bone hadn't fused together, they wouldn't have allowed him to put full weight on it and start working 3 on 3's after prior CT scans. i'm taking Sam on his word that they're just being conservative after the doc looked at the scan and thought there should be more growth at this point. also:

the first set back was announced only because Embiid was spotted back in his soft cast. and that turned out to bd:

this announcement was made because Woj was about to print info about the doc saying that the CT scan didn't show as much "healing" as he would like to see at this point. this is not good news. but this is the same doc who OK'd full workouts months ago. this is not a new injury. nor any indication that the original surgery was misaligned or "didn't take", etc.

[LloydFree]

Let me get this straight. The 76ers don't leak any information at all for 11 months. Now two weeks before the draft, sources are leaking that the 76ers are pursuing early buyouts of Dario Saric, are going to select Porzingis in the draft and for no reason at all (because there are no games being played at the moment) they release a statement that Embiid hasn't completely healed. Again, all right before the draft.

I'll be glad when June 26th gets here.

[Sixerscan]

True, but we all can aknowledge that Embiid is a very big part of that process.
Superstar talents don't fall that easy and often in your lap.

He's a big part of the end result being a good one. The decision to pick him was right regardless (Unless they ignored some obvious aspect of his foot injury). Process is about decisions not results.

I guess he's important for the process, in that him succeeding vindicates the process in the eyes of people that only care about results.

I'm not sure I really understand this logic. At some point, outcome and results have to matter. Now there can be a debate on when that point is, but if we're 5 years down the road with nothing to show for it, than the process obviously failed. The assumption your making is that the process and decisions are inherently the right course of action, but I don't know of any job that's out there where you don't have to actually validate those decisions....eventually.

Outcomes and results do matter. It's just a separate question from which process you take to get there. I'm not using "process" as a code word for "Whatever Sam Hinkie wants to do is right" I'm saying it in terms of evaluating their decisions based on information that I have. If their decision making was good, then their process was good.

IMO, the decision to take Joel Embiid was the right one in June 2014. Unless you are telling me that he had some degenerate condition in his foot that the Sixers missed (And not just saying "Oh Yao had a similar injury so obviously Embiid was screwed") I'm not really seeing how my mind can be changed about that. We didn't take Embiid over Wiggins or Parker, we took him over Dante Exum and Julius Randle.

I think the problem is that people have a hard time putting themselves in the past. Embiid's recovery from injury was a variable. If Hinkie had 10 doctors tell him that there was an 90% chance that he would make a full recovery, can you blame the guy for pulling the trigger?

Luck is a big factor in all of this. If the reason that we don't succeed is entirely because of stuff like what could happen here, weighted coin flips that go the wrong way, I'm not really seeing how that's anyone's fault. Bad stuff just happens sometimes. And yes, we live in the real world where people get blamed for bad luck stuff happening all the time. It doesn't make it right.

Of course, the law of averages says that enough good decisions should result in a positive result eventually. So if they've really not done anything over that long of a period of time, odds are they've made some bad decisions. But they haven't made any major bad decisions yet.

[BlackKnight]

Smokescreen. How convenient for the FO to release this vague report right before the draft. For all we know, Sixers expected his foot to be at 100% now but he's only 99.5% healed.

If Okafor somehow falls to us, this gives us more leverage to trade down. #teamchill

[76ciology]

All I can say is..

SL is in question. But regular season is in play.

Until then.. Hinkie has done a great job for the team and Embiid was still the best pick last year be it no.1 pick or no.3 pick.

Embiid's injury is not that bad. It's just not healing as fast, there were no new injuries. There were no structural damage. There were some real good progress, thus the workouts and the between the legs.

Judge the injury when the season starts. Judge Hinkie when the rebuilding process is over.

[BarlesCharkley8]

Team announcement on the injury: https://twitter.com/preston76/status/60 ... 48/photo/1

If this just means he misses summer league, then who cares in the scheme of things.

[76ciology]

Who knows.. Maybe the team just doesn't want him to risk in some meaningless games in SL, while other team officials have already gave word that he will participate. That's why it's quite interesting to know that he was playing, dunking between the legs and didn't feel any pain before the diagnosis.

[sixers hoops]

This doesn't change my approach to the draft one bit.

I have always been skeptical of Embiid's ability to be fully healthy. Nevertheless, he is worth the risk with a franchise ceiling.

Therefore, I was Towns, Russell, Okafor before this news, and I am Towns, Russell, Okafor after this news.

That being said, I don't know crap about Porzingis.

Draft aside, any medical Embiid news that isn't great scares the crap out of me.

[bmsmcr]

I don't think people here are saying he was the wrong pick last year. By all means he was the right pick and I'm still glad we have him. It's just scary is all We all want this to be a successful plan and our emotions are being tugged at at the moment. This will obviously bring out some rash and frantic thinking amongst some.

[Dooberstein]

Smokescreen. How convenient for the FO to release this vague report right before the draft. For all we know, Sixers expected his foot to be at 100% now but he's only 99.5% healed.

If Okafor somehow falls to us, this gives us more leverage to trade down. #teamchill

This is exactly what I was thinking

[ET Da Gawd]

Praying for Jahlil, jojo should be fine by nov tho

[Unbreakable99]

Let me ask all of you a question. Would you rather
A) have the current situation with Embiid as is or
B) have Exum on the team showing what he showed
C) have Gordon on the team showing what he showed
D) have Smart on the team showing what he showed
E) have Randle on the team
F) have Stauskas on the team showing what he showed
G) have Vonleh on the team showing what he showed

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm choosing A and not thinking twice about it. None of those other players are game changers. Even thinking worse case scenario and Embiid never plays for us I'm still choosing A because he was that good. Hinkie made the right pick.

[Philly KDub]

What i find interesting is how the sixers came out with the statement within minutes of the woj report, maybe it could be a smokescreen

I think Woj might have found out about it and gave Sixers a heads up that he was going to run the article, so they would have time to get a press release ready. It's a not uncommon gesture of good will by a reporter, especially a pro like Woj.

We'll see about all this. The fact that he isn't in pain is good. Lot of time before the season starts.

[agiaco]

It will be interesting to see how this affects our optionality

[Ericb5]

I don't know what the procedure will be to have this heal correctly or stronger. I assume the bone hasnt fused together to the point where a 7'0 260 lb athlete can constantly pound on it... meaning it's not 100% yet. If that means sitting him for a portion of next season, then so be it.

One thing I don't want to hear is that his navicular will never be 100%. Then we have a problem.

We can assume that the same CT scan that revealed this issue has been a regular part of his checkups for the past year. If it is also true that there is no additional or new damage to the leg, then whatever showed up in this scan also showed up in all of the previous ones, right?

So what is most likely to have happened is that they had a predetermined plan for what they would allow him to do vs medical check points. Obviously, this doctor was aware of the current state of his foot 3 months ago and was comfortable allowing him to ramp up his activity. They probably just didn't hit the latest check point the way that they would have liked to so they are going to have to adjust their plan for him.

We are all legitimately freaked out, but him requiring more surgery is a huge leap at this point by us. It is far more likely that they are just being forced to pull back on his activity, and reassess the situation.

The Sixers only came out with the statement yesterday because Woj had the info and was going to publicize it, which forced their hands.

I'm not saying that I'm not scared because I am, but thinking logically, based on what we currently know(no new damage, no pain) this may not be a big deal long term.

We always knew that navicular bones are slow healers due to lack of blood flow in the area. The most important thing is that they don't do additional damage to the foot.


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[sixers hoops]

Let me ask all of you a question. Would you rather
A) have the current situation with Embiid as is or
B) have Exum on the team showing what he showed
C) have Gordon on the team showing what he showed
D) have Smart on the team showing what he showed
E) have Randle on the team
F) have Stauskas on the team showing what he showed
G) have Vonleh on the team showing what he showed

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm choosing A and not thinking twice about it. None of those other players are game changers. Even thinking worse case scenario and Embiid never plays for us I'm still choosing A because he was that good. Hinkie made the right pick.

I wouldn't trade Embiid straight-up for any of them. His ceiling is so much higher Id continue to roll the dice on Embiid's health.

[TigerInYourTank]

ITT, I learned the FO leaked info to depreciate the team's most valuable player so that other teams will get thrown off the scent of the true player(s) desired in the draft. If this is true and it works, then it's brilliant. I don't believe it, though.

Embiid had a Dwight Howard-level of fondness for sweets in college, didn't he? Any news on his diet now would help, but anyone can hide ding dongs to eat in private, can't they? Jeez, he's on the upper-end of the upper-end of healing time frames, now. To quote one of my favorite movies, the situation is hopeless, but not serious.

[Embiid P]

I'm just glad they caught this early and are being precautionary to avoid him re-injuring it on the court. That said, I hope he doesn't miss a significant portion of the regular season.

[snoopdogg88]

oh it's only been 12 months since a 5-8 month rehab began.

oh and i'm sure this entire time the Sixers haven't been using the world's best doctor's to monitor him constantly.

oh and the player in question is a 7 ft 300 lb man who has been suffering monthly injuries since high school and couldn't get through a 35 game college season.

what could possibly be wrong?

i'm sure it's no big deal.