The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[Sixerlover]

Beasley's name will be thrown around for sure, Brewer?, Ellington (their going to try to use the hometown card)..

Either way that's a deal that minus Love, I don't see getting done. Didn't we already go through this with Minny a month ago at this time?

Any way, I'm with ChuckS and Kobblehead in that I'd rather see the young guys we have now develop and hopefully make the playoffs, instead of gutting the team of the only 2 vets we have (Iguodala and Brand) and try to build with a completely young squad and hope from that. I really don't like when people call it the "OKC" method either because the only reason they are a good team is because Kevin Durant is a freak of nature and a top 5 player in the league at 21. How many of those will be in the draft?

I'd rather call it the Chicago Bulls method. Especially if your managment is as poor as ours it outside of DiLeo. Chicago has been accumulating lottery picks since what '01? And they have no 2nd round appearances to show for it? I don't want that to end up being Philly..

[radrmd216]

I skimmed through the last couple pages, but I think I got what was said.

TK, I agree with you.

ChuckS, I'm saying if the Sixers trade Iggy they can get a good young player. Obviously I hope the player in the trade comes close to or exceeds the value of Iggy, but it won't be certain, and that is why the team might make the trade in the first place.

I don't know where you get that I think the current roster can become a championship contending team. if i thought that i wouldn;t think they need a top lottery talent. Also I only said a top lottery pick in '11 not for 2-5 years in a row.

I think without Iggy the Sixers will probably get a fairly high lottery pick. They would play the young guys and it would be good to see them develop but frustrating to see them make mistakes. For this one upcoming season though we would see bad play. The Sixers definitely cannot get a top lottery pick in '12, so that leaves '11 as the top lottery pick year and '12 and beyond the years for development. I think in '12 jrue and Turner can make this team exciting to watch.

Basically comes down to two things:
Jrue, Turner, player in Iggy deal, '11 lottery pick, whoever stays out of Lou, Thad, Speights, and Hawes, and cap space
vs.
Iggy, no cap space and a mid round pick.

I think the package of younger talent and cap space is better becuase you could keep the players or package them in a trade. Also in a few years young talent on rookie deals plus brand's expiring could make the Sixers future very bright. Again i don't see where the years of horrible basketball are. I would take a bad year for chance of great years or at worst a decent team over several years of mediocrity.

[Sixerlover]

Basically comes down to two things:
Jrue, Turner, player in Iggy deal, '11 lottery pick, whoever stays out of Lou, Thad, Speights, and Hawes, and cap space
vs.
Jrue, Turner, Iggy, '11 mid round pick, whoever stays out of Lou, Thad, Speights, and Hawes, no cap space

I think the package of younger talent and cap space is better becuase you could keep the players or package them in a trade. Also in a few years young talent on rookie deals plus brand's expiring could make the Sixers future very bright. Again i don't see where the years of horrible basketball are. I would take a bad year for chance of great years or at worst a decent team over several years of mediocrity.

fixed

Shows the reality of both the situations. One situation includes a 17,6 and 6 player who is young, with a large contract while the other situation shows another younger player to add to the current youth movement we already have

[tk76]

ChuckS, I'm saying if the Sixers trade Iggy they can get a good young player. Obviously I hope the player in the trade comes close to or exceeds the value of Iggy, but it won't be certain, and that is why the team might make the trade in the first place.

I don't know where you get that I think the current roster can become a championship contending team. if i thought that i wouldn;t think they need a top lottery talent. Also I only said a top lottery pick in '11 not for 2-5 years in a row.

Yeah, like I said before, their young players should all be close to entering their prime- so I do not see a 5 years prolonged rebuilding- whether they keep Iguodala or not. It really comes down to targeting 2-3 years from now as when this current team enters its peak. And whether you think Iguodala at 28-30 should be part of that.

Talent/age suggests that you should keep Iguodala. Especially if the return is pennies on the dollar. But it becomes a tougher issue looking at the teams finances and if you are offered a top prospect who meshes well with the rest of the roster... So I'm not saying we should be looking to "dump" Iguodala. But I am apposed to trading guys like Thad or Speights for short term Nocioni-like vets to try and win a few more games short term.

We
stuck with these young guys for a long time now- and hopefully the p[ay off will be soon. Absolutely no compelling reason to go "Bobcats" and star bringing in 30 year olds with bad contracts in the hope of a shallow playoff run.

[sixerfan1976]

houston is also interested in iguodala.

willing to give Ariza and filler.

Still sounds like we are trying to move thad or kapono instead.

[SmittyTheGreat]

Hopefully filler doesn't mean Jordan Hill.


Budinger, on the other hand..

[sixerfan1976]

dont think so on hill...but who knows...we got enough PF....

not sure there is room for budinger..we are heavy on SG/SF.

[bdownbear]

Yao Ming?

[SmittyTheGreat]

Well I was thinking we'd add an another player on our side(like Green..if at all possible lol)

[sixerfan1976]

seems to be alot more trade/free agent movement this year...some real changes this offseason across the league.

Seems like we are taking the will listen on anyone mentality then why then come after iguodala we say no. I like Ariza actually but the filler they could offer doesnt excite me.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Thats another deal i'd do in a heartbeat. Ariza is becoming a lights out shooter from deep and he doesn't need the ball to do so. As for the filler i'd be happy with Chuck Hayes or some other low post defender.

[PhilasFinest]

ariza n iguodala are very very similar players

[sixerswillrule]

We need to be getting at least one 1st round pick with Ariza.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

ariza n iguodala are very very similar players

True but I think Iguodala is the more explosive player while Ariza is the better outside shooter.

[BringBackKorver]

houston is also interested in iguodala.

willing to give Ariza and filler.

Still sounds like we are trying to move thad or kapono instead.

I think Ariza, Hill, salary filler, and a couple picks would be okay. Ariza has a pretty good contract, Hill could be sent elsewhere for a center, and we could grab the NY package of picks or something to grab some more young assets.

I'd like to see Kapono moved for a big though ideally. That way it gives us a few more minutes and another year to see what Thad can do and make a decision on him.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

We need to be getting at least one 1st round pick with Ariza.

That would be too much to ask for from Houston.

[sixerswillrule]

We need to be getting at least one 1st round pick with Ariza.

That would be too much to ask for from Houston.

No deal, then. If they want to get the far better player, they will need to add more value.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

We need to be getting at least one 1st round pick with Ariza.

That would be too much to ask for from Houston.

No deal, then. If they want to get the far better player, they will need to add more value.

Look. Iguodala is not the far better player. It's a fairly even trade if you ask me. If Houston was to offer up Chuck Hayes (a good low post defender/rebounder) we would be getting fair value.

[Sixerscan]

Ariza is no where near the player Iguodala is.

I would do Ariza and Hayes for Iguodala.

[bumpo]

what about something based around kevin martin, and like jordan hill or something like that?