The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[corwin]

I still wish we had traded back, but Turner should be very solid, and like it or not this team's going to be in the playoffs this year barring some catastrophic injury.

I agree that it has been a successful off season in many ways not the least of which was the firing of EFJ & the hiring of Collins. The Iguodala/Young choice does not need to be made until Collins gets to see them play & the need for a banger/rebounder/shot blocker is obvious but may not need to be solved right away. I am not sure about this team being in the playoffs next year. I see them competing for the #7 or #8 spot with Indiana, NYK, NJN, Charlotte & Cleveland. I see Boston, Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Chicago, & Milwuakee as superior teams to us right now.

[freshie2]

http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2010/07 ... index.html

It is difficult to gauge when to trade a player like Iguodala, or if you keep him for the longer term. The trio of Jrue/ET/Iguodala is nice to think about, but I think most are of the mindset that the Sixers need some more bigs and the current roster is a playoff team, but not a true contender.

A player like Hill is a bit risky, and an NBA GM would have access to information that we don't (interviews/word of mouth in the league regarding work ethic/attitude/etc) but on paper he's a very young, very long, very athletic big man who hasn't seen much court time. The limited court time to date is concerning to me, but if everything else checks out I don't think a deal of Ariza (pretty equal replacement at the 3 to Iguodala), Hill, Jeffries (expiring deal) is a bad deal for the Sixers.

Getting a player like Jordan in a deal with the Clipps is also a risk worth taking as you try to build this team as Thad, Kapono, Nocioni and Turner all can contribute from the 3 as well if you move Igoudala. Jordan is very raw, but should be a nice big man defensively and on the boards.

We're in the dead space of the NBA season, so we'll have a lot of time to speculate. Regardless of additional moves, next season should be much, much better than last...I just hope they aren't too conservative in holding current assets if they have a chance to land some young talent that could put this team over the top in the longer term. When you aren't in the elite category, you need to figure out how to obtain the talent that puts you in the elite group and sometimes a 'risky' deal and patience will get you there.

[freshie2]

OT...were there any comments about Cousins being 0-10 in the first half last night and fouling out with a less than stellar type of game?? Been a lot of over-reaction related to the SL, so this wouldn't shock me...he still looks fine (as does ET) but had a rough one last night.

[Point-God]

I watched the entire game. Cousins started 0-for, but went on to hit his next few shots in succession. He rebounded well and continued to show off his rare passing ability. What was impressive was that he eventually adjusted to playing against such a physical defender in Joey Dorsey. Successfully making an adjustment against a defender is not typical of such a young basketball player within the same game. That's how one should read summer league play. You are going down the wrong path if you just look at a young payer's field goal percentage. Evan Turner didn't adjust at any point, he just played worse with every minute that passed.

[PhillyRocks1]

Again, its summer league. You aren't playing against nor with NBA experienced players.

[agiaco]

Just the fact that Jrue really picked up his game in his rookie year makes me believe Turner should adjust fine and just needs some time to get back into shape and get used to this level of play. He's got the talent and tools, so now he just needs some time.

[HotSauce77]

There is a difference. Holiday came out as a young freshman - he was basically a year younger than most of his freshmen peers at UCLA. He was also asked to play out of position. When he came in, he was the youngest player in the entire league and he was playing a very demanding position (only centers take as long or longer to acclimate to the game) and one he hasn't played since high school. Holiday was also taken in the bottom half of the first round at 16.

Turner is coming in after 3 years at a major program where he was the centerpiece. He is playing the wing, the easiest position to adapt to, and one he has played his entire life. Turner went number 2 overall.

So Turner playing poorly in the summer league isn't the same thing as Holiday playing poorly. It still doesn't mean that Turner will not have a productive rookie season and it certainly doesn't mean he will be a bust in the NBA, but the two situations aren't exactly analogous either and Turner's play did raise more concerns for me than the play of Holiday at the same juncture.

[sixerfan1976]

with houston just signing brad miller to a 3 year 15 million dollar deal..keep an eye on that houston deal now.

they got scola and miller locked up long term....and yao returning so they could definitely afford to part with jordan hill.

they become a top 4 team in the west if they get iguodala in my opinion(and yao stays healthy)

lowry,battier,brad miller off bench...brooks,martin,iguodala,scola,yaho as starters.

dont know anything new but i heard we been talking to houston alot this week.

[thaddeusyoungin]

with houston just signing brad miller to a 3 year 15 million dollar deal..keep an eye on that houston deal now.

they got scola and miller locked up long term....and yao returning so they could definitely afford to part with jordan hill.

they become a top 4 team in the west if they get iguodala in my opinion(and yao stays healthy)

lowry,battier,brad miller off bench...brooks,martin,iguodala,scola,yaho as starters.

dont know anything new but i heard we been talking to houston alot this week.

If the deal is anything less than Iggy/Green for Battier/Ariza/Hill/2011 1st round pick with NY swap I will be pissed. Jeffries expiring is nice but he is useless, Battier we could ship out at the deadline to a contender for young talent or a pick.

[cheolee]

Can someone explain Iggy's strengths and weaknesses pls?

[HotSauce77]

They've been supposedly talking to Houston since last season. Any word on what exactly they've been talking about this week? I think I'd rather try to get Battier, Jefferies, Hill and Budinger for Iguodala and Green - have expiring contracts to deal with. Don't really have an overwhelming need for Ariza. Don't really care about adding a late round first in a weak draft to a team full of young players.

[Guerilla713]

I'd say the Rockets are pretty ready to label Hill a bust given that they drafted a PF and re-signed Scola to a big deal, paying a lot of money for a guy who is heading towrds his decline years. I either want draft picks or Patterson, not Hill.

Definitely not a bust. Hill was going to be the backup C or PF. There is no way you're getting Patterson, because that would be like us taking Jrue. The Rockets war room exploded when Patterson was still there at pick 14. Go look at Hill's game logs when he was with the Rockets. Dude got plenty of blocks and rebounds and got to the line a lot.

[NoDirection]

Hey SF1976.........have you heard anything of interest regarding anthony randolph? giving up iggy for a short term replacement and some fillers does not sound too appealing. If we can move him for a proven big ie Al Horford then by all means do it. It seems that the FO wants to get rid of long term contracts, while acquiring young assets for a trade later down the road.

[HotSauce77]

Rockets are a veteran team. Their goal is to win now. Hill is a young kid and is more of a long term prospect. They certainly won't mind trading him to get better because they have a lot of depth. Patterson has more experience as a 4 year senior from Kentucky than Hill and is more ready to contribute. They have Yao, Miller, Hayes, Scola and David Andersen on the team at PF/C - all veteran guys and legit NBA players. He is the 7th big man on their team right now. Not because they think he is a bust, but because they have a lot of talent. Plus, if Sixers make a deal with Rockets, moving Iguodala, I seriously doubt Hill would be the centerpiece of the move for the Sixers. The idea would be to create long term cap and luxury tax flexibility while getting easily movable assets and young pieces that fit the team better. Sacramento didn't move Kevin Martin to Houston because he wasn't a good player, they did it because he didn't fit with Evans, whom they are building around. If Sixers view Turner and Holiday as guys to build around and feel Iguodala is not the best fit with them, they should move him. There is other value to a trade beside the players received in return. There is money, movability, flexibility, age, contract length, and fit with the team to consider as well.

[philly262]

Like I someone said before, Iggy and Green for Budginer, Ariza, Hill and Jefferies, and I would like Houston's pick with the right to swap with the Knicks.

[cheolee]

Like I someone said before, Iggy and Green for Budginer, Ariza, Hill and Jefferies, and I would like Houston's pick with the right to swap with the Knicks.

take out Budingr...

how about Ariza (cheaper replacement and perhaps better fit) + Hill (young big with potential) + Jeffries (expiring veteran w/ versatile defense) + HOU 2012 pick.

[Philly's Best]

Forget trading Willie. If we are trading Iguodala, wait until August 17 and then send Nocioni with him. Checked the trade checker and it works under the cap. Saves us immediate dollars and long term dollars. If we can get them to add Budinger great if not I probably still do the deal. We would only then be stuck with Brand and who knows how that will shake out. It's possible he still could give us something this year. If not maybe with the new deal they will allow 1 "redo" like they did last time.

[Point-God]

If Houston wants Iguodala for Ariza, Patterson and Budinger need to be in the package. Patterson, Budinger, Ariza and Jefferies for Iguodala, Thad, & Speights.

[BringBackKorver]

Sorry to backseat mod, but let's bring all the Houston / Philly trade talks to the Trade thread. I've done my part in polluting this thread as well, but we need to remember that this thread is for news from SF and direct discussion of that news, and we've been going on about the Houston trade scenario for 3 pages now and if we haven't come to an agreement by now it isn't going to happen.

[Guerilla713]

Like I someone said before, Iggy and Green for Budginer, Ariza, Hill and Jefferies, and I would like Houston's pick with the right to swap with the Knicks.

Maaan, that's asking for WAY to much. Hopefully the GMs and team officials aren't. No way a trade like this happens. There is no way in hell Morey okays a bad trade like that. So, you want Houston to lose a young talent in Budinger AND Hill for basically just Iguodala? Not happening. If anything, it's Ariza + Hill + Jeffries + 2011 Knicks swap (top 1 protected) for Iguodala + Smith + Speights (only if the Knicks swap is included). That's a fair trade that works out for both teams on and off the court.

If Houston wants Iguodala for Ariza, Patterson and Budinger need to be in the package. Patterson, Budinger, Ariza and Jefferies for Iguodala, Thad, & Speights.

Now, what would be the point of this trade? Why not let Houston keep Budinger and Patterson, and then let Philly keep Thad and Speights. Trading these four players would be more of a lateral move than anything else.