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Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:38 pm
by Skates
I think he is gone before next season starts. There may be technical, CBA related reasons why he is still here after the draft, but I think he has played his last game as a Sixer.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:41 pm
by bmyers3317
Kobblehead wrote:I just really dislike Aminu as a player. He's an intriguing player in that he's long, athletic, and has defensive potential. But his negatives far outweigh the things he does for your basketball team. He's a black hole that thinks he has handles, he might be the worst shooter on our team if we acquired him, and he's destined to be an undersized PF when his development is all said and done. This is all my opinion of course. I personally believe he's a journeyman in the making and not worth the minutes needed to evaluate him before we come to this realization.
Ok, fair enough. My thought is the more assets the better. Maybe someone in the 9-16 range likes Aminu, then you trade the 16th and your new asset (Aminu) for a pick slightly higher to pick the guy you target. I say the more assets the better but I agree with you if you want another player In place of Aminu or your just talking about if the Sixers have long term plans for him.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:43 pm
by KrazySixersD
i agree with kobblehead... i dont think anything of aminu either..
i like either the kaman or ellis deal, because its a better FIT for us... we NEED a center, and guys, kaman is a very good center.. hes still relatively young. If he performs well, and he might want to stay with us since we took a chance on him. We know brand and kaman works together.
the one thing we would need to do is acquire a defensive SF who can hit the 3... there are plenty of those kind of journeymen out there.. maybe a deal for a guy like pietrus(tho i think he is a boneheaded chucker) but he can hit the 3 and play defense.
this would allow turner to start at the 2, which is better than him starting at the 3 with meeks in my opinion.
something like:
holiday
turner
pietrus?
brand
kaman
thats a good team, better than last year, especially considering holiday and turner will be improved as well
you still have a deep bench with lou, meeks, thad, and 16 draft pick... if we could land biyombo somehow.. that would be unbelievable
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:43 pm
by Kobblehead
If we use Aminu as a piece in another separate package, then that would be fine.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:44 pm
by 76ciology
corwin wrote:If Iggy is traded for Kaman (mostly about money), it just goes to show what an epic failure his signing was. Many of us were b*ll s**t when he was given that 80M escalating salary by the Stiff & now 3 years later he has to be given away for an expiring because he can't live up to that contract. In the real world, people get fired for such major screw-ups. Not the Sixers though.
I can't blame the management for getting too excited for signing Iguodala and EB42 to huge contract. Remember back then how good our team was, on paper? The Andre Miller-Iguodala-Thad-EB42-Dalembert line-up pretty much looked like a top 4 team in the east back then.
What was disappointing was the player development of Iguodala, EB42 and Thad Young. Iguodala never developed his outside shooting nor scoring ability. Thad, who was synonymous with the word potential, never developed his dribbling ability and looks like he is more comfortable being a PF. And EB42 never got back to his 20/10/2 form.
We gave that vision it's chances for three years and I just think that the time has come to cut this vision short. That's why I'm not a fan of the Monta Ellis trade, for it would just prolong our agony. Trading fo Kaman, gives our team, DC and EB42 it's last hurrah next season. And after that, the future looks bright with a lotto pick, cap space, ET, and Jrue.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:45 pm
by Foshan
I thought Aminu was a pretty decent shooter at the start of the season?
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:02 pm
by sixerswillrule
sixerswillrule wrote:Option 1
Rebuild. Trade Iguodala for expiring contracts and a young player(or a draft pick that can get us one) that figures to be a starter for us from 2014 onward. Trade Brand in a year for matching expiring contracts + possible young assets.
Option 2
Try to contend within the next 3 years. Keep Iguodala, keep Brand, and trade for disgruntled all-stars such as Granger and Bogut using our young guys.
Option 971
Middle of the pack move that makes no sense whatsoever such as trading Iguodala for an older, injury prone, turnover prone, inefficient, average defending center with absolutely nothing attached that will be on the roster in 3 years.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:17 pm
by Kobblehead
sixerswillrule wrote:sixerswillrule wrote:Option 1
Rebuild. Trade Iguodala for expiring contracts and a young player(or a draft pick that can get us one) that figures to be a starter for us from 2014 onward. Trade Brand in a year for matching expiring contracts + possible young assets.
Option 2
Try to contend within the next 3 years. Keep Iguodala, keep Brand, and trade for disgruntled all-stars such as Granger and Bogut using our young guys.
Option 971
Middle of the pack move that makes no sense whatsoever such as trading Iguodala for an older, injury prone, turnover prone, inefficient, average defending center with absolutely nothing attached that will be on the roster in 3 years.
Yeah, Kamen is too injury prone. We should trade Jrue and Turner for the iron man that is Andrew Bogut.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:24 pm
by Foshan
If we do Kaman/Iggy straight up I'll probably throw up a little. Even if the 'incentive' coming back isn't Aminu, it's got to be something... Min pick, something ...
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:32 pm
by sixerfan1976
Things I expect to happen:
Iguodala to LAC for Aminu and Kaman by Wednesday. We may include Speights and they may include Willie Warren in one variation. Also in play is a swap of pick #37 for pick #50 as part of the deal. Deal has many variations but it sounds like one of the above is most likely to get done by Wednesday.
I still think we draft a big man like Vucevic or Markieff Morris regardless of if deal is done for Iguodala this week or if maybe Donatas if he drops. They could go Faried if both Vucevic and Markieff are off the board but they expect one of them to be there. Not interested in Bismarck. Think he is too much of a project. They like Singleton but see his as more of a glue guy and not a guy you build around.
Will probably add a SG/SF in round two. One that can also defend.
Have some interest in Vince Carter if he is bought out.
Phoenix also approached us about swapping Nocioni for Josh Childress but we are not a fan of the Childress contract...but we do like him and feel he fits into our style.
Sounds like Lou isnt going anywhere.
Monta deal not dead but Warriors seem to be shopping for a better deal. They were insisting we take Biedrins back and thats not something we are interested in.
Stefanski probably looking elsewhere for a job and Levien will probably co-run the ship with Thorn in someway. Not sure what the titles will be.
Sale of team will not impede a trade this week. If deal doesnt get done, it would be for other reasons(such as teams couldnt agree on compensation)
Priorities are Trade Iguodala, trade speights and try to find a scorer/better fit for Nocioni in that order. May have to take a worse contract in the Nocioni deal to get a scorer. Team concerned if they cant get a scorer for Iguodala that they will be able to get one at all.
Also trying to engage Houston about Iguodala for Kevin Martin but Houston has their sights set on bigger players than Iguodala right now. Not sure we will wait for that to resolve.
This will be my only update.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:39 pm
by sixerswillrule
Foshan wrote:If we do Kaman/Iggy straight up I'll probably throw up a little. Even if the 'incentive' coming back isn't Aminu, it's got to be something... Min pick, something ...
Exactly. The Wolves pick would be nice but Kaman alone? That would be horrible. Kaman wouldn't(or at least shouldn't) be here past next season. If he is that would suck too because he'll be in his 30s and will probably be overpaid. That defeats the whole salary relief for Iguodala purpose. We need to get someone who will help 3-7 years down the road, not up to 3 years.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:43 pm
by sixerswillrule
Wow, I really hope you're wrong.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:47 pm
by Skates
SF76 sighting, holy crap if true.
Aminu, Thad and Brackins gives the team a bunch of young tweener forwards. Package one or two with Nocioni's expiring for a scoring wing. I like still going big at 16, Kaman is a one year stop gap. Singleton would be fine there too if other moves were made to clear out the 3-4 backlog. The 50-37 swap would be a nice little addition.
Just say no to Childress' contract if we are dumping Iggy in part for financial flexibility. He doesn't score and hasn't looked like the same player since he came back. Childress is a classic glue guy, if we don't want to sue a #16 pick on that kind of player, then why take one with a bad contract? I think Singleton will eventually be a better spot up jump shooter than Childress will ever be. I would be much more interested in getting Gortat from Phoenix, not that it is likely to happen.
The mention of VC made me throw up in my mouth a little. He is an over the hill, low effort guy. This team isn't winning now, why sign him.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:55 pm
by sixerfan1976
my take was vince carter would be a one year stop gap to fill the need for a scorer. But I think if he is indeed bought out.....he probably would rather play for several other teams before the Sixers.
Yeah childress wont happen..but they did ask us about it. If the contacts were even in length I would do it though.
As for the Clip deal, my personal thoughts.
I would only do it if it were Aminu,Warren,Kaman and 37 for Iguodala,Speights and 50. I would need all of that to do it....thats just me tho.
Team would look something like this after draft and before something happened with Nocioni:
Jrue/Lou/Warren
Turner/Meeks/2nd rounder?
Kaman/Hawes/Battie?
Aminu/Thad/Nocioni
Brand/1st round pick/Brackins
Maybe Thad starts...maybe they like him off bench. Maybe they keep Nocioni and he starts. Dont know. I prefer a Kevin Martin type....or even Ellis over a LAC deal. But if we gotta do something with LAC....I know they wont do the 2012 pick. Have fun watching this play out this week! gotta run
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:04 pm
by EBrandEra
I also think Iggy will be gone by draft night. He doesn't want to be a Sixer and I think Collins and Co. realize that Iggy is not part of a long-term solution to be a contender.
I hope the Sixers trade Iggy/Speights for Kaman/Aminu and swap 1st rounders next year, with the Sixers getting the Clips' Minny pick.
Considering the the Clippers should be highly motivated to do this trade (I think Iggy fits in real well on that team), I think they could work that trade out.
Then, the Sixers can draft another big and maybe a perimeter scorer in the draft.
But one way or another, I think there's a high likelihood Iggy is gone by draft day.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:16 pm
by Bring Back 1983
I am absolutely stunned that Collins would be willing to coach VC for even a year. But that's a minor point given the likelihood of it happening.
Can't be that mad at the Clippers trade if it inlcudes Warren and the swap of No. 2s, but I really preferred the Golden State deal. Hopefully their effort so drive up the market price falls on its head.
Does anyone have any idea what this does for our cap situation (assuming the next agreement doesn't drop the hard cap by more than $3 million) after 2012?
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:33 pm
by ZarcMumoff
Glad to see your still around SF76. Please come back more.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:35 pm
by Sixerlover
SF76 was spot on last time a big deal went down, so I trust him.
Iguodala for Kaman / Aminu.. I'm disheartened
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:37 pm
by Sixerlover
Question though SF, The fact that WE called Houston for a Iguodala - Martin swap.. Does that show the front office is all in that Turner can be a productive full time small forward? Because Martin certainly cannot.
Re: Think Iguodala's still a Sixer by the draft's conclusion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:43 pm
by PhilasFinest
an SF76 sighting...good stuff!
should be interesting to see if Iguodala is moved.