Fantasy Trade Thread

[Patsfan1081]

To get Winslow you would either have to give up the Lakers pick or Noel(not strait up, but Winslow plus), you def aren't getting him for taking on a contract like MCRoberts or giving them back their pick, which most likely will be a late first. Even if Miami is desprate to create cap space they aren't dumb enough to give away Winslow to do it.

[Sportfan73]

McRoberts contract is literally horrible

[spikeslovechild]

How about Joe Johnson for Wallace and Carl Landry?

The 76ers get to consolidate the wallace and Landry deals into one big expiring. They also get outside shooting. The total for Wallace and Landry matchup to exactly 24 million.

Not sure I get it from a Nets perspective. They want to move Joe Johnson but just gut under the luxury tax (just barely) so after the buyout of Williams they maybe less inclined to do this type of deal

[51X3RF4N]

I read the above post wrong, so I'm editing my response.

[Hardcore6erFan]

Scenario is the Kings decide to trade Cousins at the deadline but want a top prospect not a bunch of questionable 1sts.

Kings out: Cousins
Kings in: Okafor, Olynyk, Lee, Thunder 2016 1st with Warriors swap option, Wolves 2016 1st 1-12 protected and becomes 2016 2nd and 2017 2nd, Hornets 2018 2nd, Hornets 2020 2nd

Celtics out: Lee, Sullinger, Olynyk, Nets 2016 1st, Mavs 2016 1-7 protected, Wolves 2016 1st 1-12 protected and becomes 2016 2nd and 2017 2nd, Sixers option to swap Heat 2016 1st with Celtics 2016 1st 1-12 protected, Sixers 2016 2nd, Celtics 2017 1st with Nets swap option, better of Cavs or Clippers 2017 2nd, Nets 2018 1st, Grizzlies 2018 1st 1-12 protected
Celtics in: Cousins

Hornets out: Roberts, Hornets 2018 2nd, Hornets 2020 2nd
Hornets in: Sullinger

Sixers out: Okafor, Thunder 2016 1st with Warriors swap option
Sixers in: Roberts, Nets 2016 1st, Mavs 2016 1st 1-7 protected, Sixers option to swap Heat 2016 1st with Celtics 2016 1st 1-12 protected, Sixers 2016 2nd, Celtics 2017 1st with Nets swap option, better of Cavs or Clippers 2017 2nd, Nets 2018 1st, Grizzlies 2018 1st 1-12 protected

At the deadline the Sixers related picks are projected:
Sixers #2
Lakers #4
Nets #7
Kings #8
Mavs #10
Celtics #15
Heat #18
Thunder #25
Warriors #28

Do you do this trade and hope that one or more of the three Nets 1sts end up in the top 3? It would be poetic justice since Billy King ruined the Sixers by trading all their future 1sts. The Nets entire future is in Brook Lopez's foot and praying free agents want to play in Brooklyn. This trade should make the Kings worse so more ping pong balls for the swap and should guarantee the Sixers the worst record. If Okafor never lives up to expectations well we have Kings unprotected swap in 2017 and their top 10 protected 1st in 2018 which is unprotected in 2019. Things could get ridiculously juicy if everything breaks right.

[LeonJordanJr24]

noel for bradley beal.

[Phila Tough]

noel for bradley beal.

Hell no.

[SparksFly87]

I would take a flier at evan fournier from the magics. A young shooter.

[spikeslovechild]

To get Winslow you would either have to give up the Lakers pick or Noel(not strait up, but Winslow plus), you def aren't getting him for taking on a contract like MCRoberts or giving them back their pick, which most likely will be a late first. Even if Miami is desperate to create cap space they aren't dumb enough to give away Winslow to do it.

The problem the heat face if they want to dump McSuck is that the team trading for him has to take three years of suck back. Birdman and Chalmers are much more movable because they are expiring.

Whatever team takes him whether it be the 76ers or anyone else I don't take his deal without Winslow. The heat pick moving forward is likely very late and we aren't talking about swiss cheese here for example if the 76ers were to take back Birdman and McSuck that would be 24 million over the next three years, roughly equivalent to what the 76ers took back in the Sac deal. The other problem the heat face is there are very few teams with cap space right now in fact there are four teams total. The Magic, 76ers, Blazers, and Jazz.

[Sportfan73]

Scenario is the Kings decide to trade Cousins at the deadline but want a top prospect not a bunch of questionable 1sts.

Kings out: Cousins
Kings in: Okafor, Olynyk, Lee, Thunder 2016 1st with Warriors swap option, Wolves 2016 1st 1-12 protected and becomes 2016 2nd and 2017 2nd, Hornets 2018 2nd, Hornets 2020 2nd

Celtics out: Lee, Sullinger, Olynyk, Nets 2016 1st, Mavs 2016 1-7 protected, Wolves 2016 1st 1-12 protected and becomes 2016 2nd and 2017 2nd, Sixers option to swap Heat 2016 1st with Celtics 2016 1st 1-12 protected, Sixers 2016 2nd, Celtics 2017 1st with Nets swap option, better of Cavs or Clippers 2017 2nd, Nets 2018 1st, Grizzlies 2018 1st 1-12 protected
Celtics in: Cousins

Hornets out: Roberts, Hornets 2018 2nd, Hornets 2020 2nd
Hornets in: Sullinger

Sixers out: Okafor, Thunder 2016 1st with Warriors swap option
Sixers in: Roberts, Nets 2016 1st, Mavs 2016 1st 1-7 protected, Sixers option to swap Heat 2016 1st with Celtics 2016 1st 1-12 protected, Sixers 2016 2nd, Celtics 2017 1st with Nets swap option, better of Cavs or Clippers 2017 2nd, Nets 2018 1st, Grizzlies 2018 1st 1-12 protected

At the deadline the Sixers related picks are projected:
Sixers #2
Lakers #4
Nets #7
Kings #8
Mavs #10
Celtics #15
Heat #18
Thunder #25
Warriors #28

Do you do this trade and hope that one or more of the three Nets 1sts end up in the top 3? It would be poetic justice since Billy King ruined the Sixers by trading all their future 1sts. The Nets entire future is in Brook Lopez's foot and praying free agents want to play in Brooklyn. This trade should make the Kings worse so more ping pong balls for the swap and should guarantee the Sixers the worst record. If Okafor never lives up to expectations well we have Kings unprotected swap in 2017 and their top 10 protected 1st in 2018 which is unprotected in 2019. Things could get ridiculously juicy if everything breaks right.

If I'm trading jah, it's too put Boogie next to Noel.

[spikeslovechild]

Personally, I think it makes much more sense for the 76ers to keep their young talent and sign free agents. They could conceivably sign both Durant and Paul in the offseason if they want.

If you fail to sign free agents then at that point maybe you revisit trading for veterans who are about to get expensive but to be honest if you can't attract free agents with the core Hinkie has built for himself then they likey haven't turned out as expected and the 76ers are screwed anyways.

[BobThornton]

I thought it was interesting that during the 2nd summer league stint (Las Vegas?) they had Hinkie on during halftime of one of the games and asked him about the summer league, and he said completely out of the blue, that he thought Marcus Smart was playing well. With Saric coming over next summer and Okafor and Embiid, seems like the offensively challenged Noel might be the odd man out. Wonder if Noel is eventually shipped to Boston for Smart and some of those Nets picks?

[MRxBLACK]

I thought it was interesting that during the 2nd summer league stint (Las Vegas?) they had Hinkie on during halftime of one of the games and asked him about the summer league, and he said completely out of the blue, that he thought Marcus Smart was playing well. With Saric coming over next summer and Okafor and Embiid, seems like the offensively challenged Noel might be the odd man out. Wonder if Noel is eventually shipped to Boston for Smart and some of those Nets picks?

Doubt it. If Embiid surpasses Noel's value on the court it's at least two, probably three years away from happening. No Embiid this year, so that takes us into year 2 where there's no chance rookie Embiid will be better than 3rd year Noel. Then year three, sophomore Embiid might close the gap on 4th year Noel, but probably still won't be better. That all assumes Embiid's foot doesn't fall off. My vote is to shop Okafor's overrated ass around the league for a nice wing or point guard. He's going to follow the Vucevic, Kanter, Lopez, Jefferson model of offensively skilled centers that don't make a major impact. Use him to fleece a team.

[BobThornton]

I thought it was interesting that during the 2nd summer league stint (Las Vegas?) they had Hinkie on during halftime of one of the games and asked him about the summer league, and he said completely out of the blue, that he thought Marcus Smart was playing well. With Saric coming over next summer and Okafor and Embiid, seems like the offensively challenged Noel might be the odd man out. Wonder if Noel is eventually shipped to Boston for Smart and some of those Nets picks?

Doubt it. If Embiid surpasses Noel's value on the court it's at least two, probably three years away from happening. No Embiid this year, so that takes us into year 2 where there's no chance rookie Embiid will be better than 3rd year Noel. Then year three, sophomore Embiid might close the gap on 4th year Noel, but probably still won't be better. That all assumes Embiid's foot doesn't fall off. My vote is to shop Okafor's overrated ass around the league for a nice wing or point guard. He's going to follow the Vucevic, Kanter, Lopez, Jefferson model of offensively skilled centers that don't make a major impact. Use him to fleece a team.

The players in Okafor's draft class who have seen him play, and played with him, for years think he is the most likely draft pick to have the best career. But what do they know?

[MRxBLACK]

The players in Okafor's draft class who have seen him play, and played with him, for years think he is the most likely draft pick to have the best career. But what do they know?

We should hire a Ray Allen as GM then. I'm sure we would be contenders in no time.

[Hardcore6erFan]

I really hope Hinkie is working on a salary dump trade with the Heat. I want the option to swap 1sts in 2018 and 2019 with them. By that time Wade will be done and Dragic and Bosh will be washed up. The Heat's entire future is based on Winslow becoming a superstar and luring big names in free agency. Otherwise they are screwed. Hinkie needs to capitalize. I would take on Birdman, Chalmers, and Haslem which is 12.15 million.

[Ericb5]

I thought it was interesting that during the 2nd summer league stint (Las Vegas?) they had Hinkie on during halftime of one of the games and asked him about the summer league, and he said completely out of the blue, that he thought Marcus Smart was playing well. With Saric coming over next summer and Okafor and Embiid, seems like the offensively challenged Noel might be the odd man out. Wonder if Noel is eventually shipped to Boston for Smart and some of those Nets picks?

Doubt it. If Embiid surpasses Noel's value on the court it's at least two, probably three years away from happening. No Embiid this year, so that takes us into year 2 where there's no chance rookie Embiid will be better than 3rd year Noel. Then year three, sophomore Embiid might close the gap on 4th year Noel, but probably still won't be better. That all assumes Embiid's foot doesn't fall off. My vote is to shop Okafor's overrated ass around the league for a nice wing or point guard. He's going to follow the Vucevic, Kanter, Lopez, Jefferson model of offensively skilled centers that don't make a major impact. Use him to fleece a team.

I agree with you that it is way too early to think about trading Noel, but I think if Embiid plays a relatively healthy 65 games his first year, with finishing the season healthy and playing consistent minutes then he will be better than Noel by the end of that year.

However, for all intents and purposes right now we do not have a 3 man rotation of young studs. We have a two man rotation, since Embiid is totally up in the air.


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[MRxBLACK]

I agree with you that it is way too early to think about trading Noel, but I think if Embiid plays a relatively healthy 65 games his first year, with finishing the season healthy and playing consistent minutes then he will be better than Noel by the end of that year.

There's just no way I could see that. Between the minute restrictions he'll have, missing over two years of prime developmental time plus how inexperienced he already is it would be a monumental feat if rookie Embiid is better than third year NN.

[spikeslovechild]

I really hope Hinkie is working on a salary dump trade with the Heat. I want the option to swap 1sts in 2018 and 2019 with them. By that time Wade will be done and Dragic and Bosh will be washed up. The Heat's entire future is based on Winslow becoming a superstar and luring big names in free agency. Otherwise they are screwed. Hinkie needs to capitalize. I would take on Birdman, Chalmers, and Haslem which is 12.15 million.

Yeah, I'm not convinced of the Heats impending demise. Sure, Bosh and Dragic are going to slow down at some point but it really doesn't take much to compete in the East. If they keep Whiteside even with an older Bosh and Dragic they will be one of the top teams in the east.

Not to mention what happens with Winslow.

[sgg001]

I think we understand that Jahlil will be the primary scorer. The key for this strategy to work is 3 point shooters, a good distributor pg and another big man defender. I think we probably have one of three in Nerlens Noel as a defender who can make up for Jahlil's lack of defense (Hopefully improves over time).

Shooting we've definitely improved with Stausky and RoCo although neither are proven (RoCo more so I guess).

Jonathan Tjarks wrote an article about Evan Fournier that got me thinking. I'd always thought Fournier was underrated and he could be a great fit for this team. Still very young but with NBA experience. He is athletic, can play either wing position and can hit 3's/drive to the basket. He proved he deserved minutes when some injuries early in the season forced him into more substantial action. He just needs consistent minutes and we could give it to him (i'm thinking 20-25 minutes). I'd consider trading a late first for him particularly given that we hopefully will have a few picks. He fits the style of spacing the defense out.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/239203/Evan-Fourniers-Place-In-Orlandos-Perimeter-Clog

Curious if you agree on Fournier and can think of other guys we should be taking a real look at over next season and perhaps next off-season.