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Re: Nerlens Noel will be 2014-2015 rookie of the year 

Post#941 » by guitarpath » Wed Apr 1, 2015 3:47 am

Hinkie's trade of Jrue Holiday was even better than just netting Noel and Saric.

Remember that Hinkie traded Jrue for the #6 pick in 2013 (Noel) plus New Orleans' 1st round pick in 2014 which ended up at #10 overall. He then parlayed #10 for Orlando's #12 pick (drafting Saric who Hinkie wanted anyway) plus a 1st rounder in 2017 and Orlando's 2nd round pick in 2015.

That 2017 1st round pick was originally traded by the Sixers in the Bynum debacle. Hinkie effectively closed the book on that disaster.

So, for Jrue Holiday (plus a 2nd rounder in 2013 which was used to draft Pierre Jackson), Hinkie netted:

1. Nerlens Noel
2. Dario Saric
3. Orlando's 2015 2nd round pick
4. 76ers 2017 1st round pick

That is not a trade. Its a masterstroke.
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Post#942 » by kingphilly » Wed Apr 1, 2015 4:34 am

guitarpath wrote:Hinkie's trade of Jrue Holiday was even better than just netting Noel and Saric.

Remember that Hinkie traded Jrue for the #6 pick in 2013 (Noel) plus New Orleans' 1st round pick in 2014 which ended up at #10 overall. He then parlayed #10 for Orlando's #12 pick (drafting Saric who Hinkie wanted anyway) plus a 1st rounder in 2017 and Orlando's 2nd round pick in 2015.

That 2017 1st round pick was originally traded by the Sixers in the Bynum debacle. Hinkie effectively closed the book on that disaster.

So, for Jrue Holiday (plus a 2nd rounder in 2013 which was used to draft Pierre Jackson), Hinkie netted:

1. Nerlens Noel
2. Dario Saric
3. Orlando's 2015 2nd round pick
4. 76ers 2017 1st round pick

That is not a trade. Its a masterstroke.

Pffft masterstroke indeed! Lol
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Re: Nerlens Noel will be 2014-2015 rookie of the year 

Post#943 » by bedjawII » Wed Apr 1, 2015 6:18 am

kingphilly wrote:Noel is no where near the prospect KAT is in my opinion, but I would argue that Nerl will impact a game more than Okafor at the next level


That was true two months ago...but he has put up historic numbers that put him in elite company. Not very good company but elite. His evolution has been nothing short of amazing. He looks like a different player. I scoffed at the NN/AD comparisons earlier. Now those comparisons are not so ridiculous. In fact right now...today...NN is a better defensive player. We now have another prospect who can be as good as he wants. He has blown a hole right through his initial ceiling.
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Post#944 » by LloydFree » Wed Apr 1, 2015 10:16 am

kingphilly wrote:Noel is no where near the prospect KAT is in my opinion, but I would argue that Nerl will impact a game more than Okafor at the next level

You at correct. Karl Towns is a better prospect than Nerlens Noel, IMO.

1. Embiid
2. Towns
3. Okafor
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Post#945 » by 76ciology » Wed Apr 1, 2015 10:18 am

I can remember there was an article, which I can't find right now, where they say that when a rookie has a PER lower than 14, it is likely to be a bust. Can anyone remember this article? I think it was emphasizing at Flynn and Wes Johnson's PER back then.
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Post#946 » by phillynative » Wed Apr 1, 2015 12:00 pm

The fact that we can even have this debate... :-)
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Post#947 » by guitarpath » Wed Apr 1, 2015 12:19 pm

Noel was the #1 overall recruit in the nation coming out of high school in 2012 and the consensus #1 overall pick in the NBA draft in 2013 before the ACL injury for a reason.

He is an elite defender right now, and he hasn't even filled out yet. I agree with the comment above that Noel has a higher ceiling than many think. He can be as good as he wants to be, and I think he wants to be great.
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Post#948 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Apr 1, 2015 5:01 pm

Noel defends his top ranking on both Bleacher Reports biweekly rookie ladder and NBA.com's weekly rookie ladder. It seems like those that have had to compare rookies continuously throughout the season are vouching for Noel.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2415 ... winds-down

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/s ... index.html
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Post#949 » by kingphilly » Wed Apr 1, 2015 6:05 pm

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kingphilly wrote:Noel is no where near the prospect KAT is in my opinion, but I would argue that Nerl will impact a game more than Okafor at the next level


I scoffed at the NN/AD comparisons earlier. Now those comparisons are not so ridiculous.

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Post#950 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Apr 1, 2015 6:43 pm

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/layne-va ... ion-tools/

Estimated Wins Peak (EWP) has him in some ridiculous company, AD and Shaq.

According to Vashro's projection, obviously barring injuries and the such, there is a 0% chance that he's a bust, 1% chance he's a typical bench player, 3% marginal starter, 19% stud, 77% star.

http://laynevashro.com/basketball/predsFAQ.html
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Post#951 » by XtremeDunkz » Wed Apr 1, 2015 8:13 pm

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Post#952 » by kingphilly » Wed Apr 1, 2015 8:30 pm

kingphilly wrote:
bedjawII wrote:
kingphilly wrote:Noel is no where near the prospect KAT is in my opinion, but I would argue that Nerl will impact a game more than Okafor at the next level


I scoffed at the NN/AD comparisons earlier. Now those comparisons are not so ridiculous.

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Lol nerlens isn't even close to the talent Davis is
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Post#953 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Apr 1, 2015 9:35 pm

kingphilly wrote:Lol nerlens isn't even close to the talent Davis is

Defensively he's better than Davis is, offensively he's not close to what Davis was even in his rookie season although for at least this past month he's actually been comparable in stretches. The issue with the comparison is that it's unreasonable to fathom a player improving as much and quickly as AD has within 3 seasons.

Noel's improvement has been impressive though.

October 11.2 PER
November 10.2 PER
December 10.1 PER
January 15.2 PER
February 16.1 PER
March 20.6 PER (AD 21.7 PER his rookie season)
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Post#954 » by kingphilly » Wed Apr 1, 2015 10:26 pm

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kingphilly wrote:Lol nerlens isn't even close to the talent Davis is

Defensively he's better than Davis is, offensively he's not close to what Davis was even in his rookie season although for at least this past month he's actually been comparable in stretches. The issue with the comparison is that it's unreasonable to fathom a player improving as much and quickly as AD has within 3 seasons.

Noel's improvement has been impressive though.

October 11.2 PER
November 10.2 PER
December 10.1 PER
January 15.2 PER
February 16.1 PER
March 20.6 PER (AD 21.7 PER his rookie season)

I think noel obv has the chance to be one of if not THE best defensive game changers in the L, but like I said originally KAT to me is still the better prospect. He has the ability to be a TWO way talent , and while NERL has made some strides this year, particularly his free throw shooting, until he starts hitting that midrange shot with good consistency he won't be able to thrive next to embiid. The nice part about this is even if we were to say draft KAT and he ended up a more impactful player than noel than we could have the perennial 6th man dpoy wrecking havoc on opposing teams second units. Or NERL could become the next kg either way it's a win for us. Hinkie sure reaped the reward of that risk. Nerls a baller
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Re: Nerlens Noel will be 2014-2015 rookie of the year 

Post#955 » by GoSixersBro » Wed Apr 1, 2015 10:47 pm

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Post#956 » by guitarpath » Thu Apr 2, 2015 2:42 am

I really think that Towns is being overrated here based on the loaded team he plays on and his dominating smaller players in the tournament.

He will likely be a real good player in the NBA in five years. But Noel will very possibly be an All Star-caliber, DPOY candidate-type of player at that point.

A big part of building a championship contender in the NBA is getting lucky in the draft. The 76ers got lucky with Nerlens Noel. If they can similarly get lucky with Joel Embiid and whomever they draft this year, we may have something here.
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Post#957 » by snoopdogg88 » Thu Apr 2, 2015 2:56 am

Yeah I don't agree with the logic that Towns is a guaranteed all star. I still don't see the dominating factor that I saw in prospects like Noel and Davis
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Post#958 » by 76ciology » Thu Apr 2, 2015 4:08 am

Before i forget..

Honestly, I was worried with Nerlens early on the season. I've been keeping it to myself that his early struggles might be because of his ACL hurting his athleticism. And looking back, I think it has more got to do with his mentality. As the season goes Nerlens has begin to regain his self. It's one thing to not playing legit 5 on 5 basketball for almost a year but it's a lot much tougher when you're coming from suffering an injury like ACL (see DROSE mentality).

If you notice, he's a lot more aggressive on the offensive end, thanks also to ISH to boost his confidence. He is more confident with his shooting, post moves, attacking the rim and even in crucial situations. This is not the "Ben Wallace" expectations that most people have. You can also notice that he has learn to hang on the rim to avoid unnecessary injury like turning his ankle. :D

Man, I'm excited how good our guys are going to be next year.
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Post#959 » by 76ciology » Thu Apr 2, 2015 4:11 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:Yeah I don't agree with the logic that Towns is a guaranteed all star. I still don't see the dominating factor that I saw in prospects like Noel and Davis


Impact on both ends + production + elite physical tools.

I don't think Towns will be a dominant player but he'd be a very good player and can be near dominant level on both ends. In my eyes, Towns is like the poor man's Embiid which is not a knock in him but more of saying that he'd be a good player at both ends.
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Post#960 » by bedjawII » Thu Apr 2, 2015 6:58 am

76ciology wrote:
snoopdogg88 wrote:Yeah I don't agree with the logic that Towns is a guaranteed all star. I still don't see the dominating factor that I saw in prospects like Noel and Davis


Impact on both ends + production + elite physical tools.

I don't think Towns will be a dominant player but he'd be a very good player and can be near dominant level on both ends. In my eyes, Towns is like the poor man's Embiid which is not a knock in him but more of saying that he'd be a good player at both ends.

Agree with your KAT assessment and I'd be stoked to get him. But NN really has a chance to be special as he has shown the last two months. Not so sure KAT can ever be "special".

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