ALL THIS CAP SPACE

[Hardcore6erFan]

Sign me up for Thad for Dion Waiters. Would even take on Barea and Shved's contract from Wolves.

[EricYellowSnow]

A core of MCW-Waiters-Noel-Embiid to start 2015 could be straight nasty.

And Durant

[Agnostifarian]

Quick Aside on the CLE: I hate that team!!! I don't even begrudge them for getting the #1 pick over and over. I just hate their players, especially the little gunner, no D, Kyrie!!! UUGH!

CLE is super lucky that Lebron is from Ohio and that he returned. BUT, they seem intent upon assembling a Big 3 of Kyrie, LBJ and Love at the expense of Wiggins, Bennett and possibly multiple 1st round picks. Where's the rim protection and defense in general?

If it were me, I'd trade Kyrie and keep Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, Thompson and LBJ. I'd get some rim protection somewhere and I'd keep future draft picks to replenish the bench. LBJ and CLE would have a chance at more championships if they choose this path, IMO.

Meanwhile, as a Sixer fan, I am drooling over the future match ups between our team and the Kyrie/Lebron/Love threesome. In a couple year's time, we'll be crushing that sorry team!

Uh oh, mania is setting in...

[Negrodamus]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

[sixers hoops]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

Hinkie said don't expect Saric before two years because he had read Saric's contact and it is not happening.

[ckchen]

But the question is whether that cap number also counts toward the salary floor or not? Or is the salary floor based upon how much actual cash is paid out for players?

Salary floor is based on actual cash paid out.

This is how I understood this also. Salary floor does not equal salary cap. Therefore in a Lin or Asik type scenario 8 mill would count against the cap whereas the 15 would count against the floor. Amnesties are another payment that counts against the floor.

We took on approx. 4 mill in annual salary with the Indiana trade but that probably would not have been enough to push us over the floor. I don't know their pay periods so its hard to prorate the actual salary paid. I am thinking that the Maynor buy out may have actually been what got us over the floor and if that was the case his salary will count against the cap in 2015 but not against the floor. Maybe.

I already explained this in a previous post (7/22, 5:38pm), but the salary floor and the salary cap are calculated the exact same way. They aren't different things. Team salary is calculated based on player annual salaries on the last day of the regular season. If you are under the floor amount, you pay the difference (meaning the minimum salary floor number ($56.75M or whatever minus the total team salary) gets split among the players). If you're over the cap amount you pay the luxury tax.

We did reach the floor last year, because Granger's entire annual salary was calculated into the team salary calculations. Buy-outs/amnesties - those amounts are meaningless - the player's original salary amount counts in the team salary calculation.

Jeremy Lin's contract was a Poison Pill contract - meaning that even though the team had to pay him $15M in salary for this year, only $9M counted towards the salary cap. That means that only $9M also would have counted to the salary floor. Again, same thing. Maybe it's easier to say that only $9M would count to the total team salary calculation.

[James40]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

Hinkie said don't expect Saric before two years because he had read Saric's contact and it is not happening.

The players themselves usually have to buy out of the contract because NBA teams aren't allowed to, so Dario might have to come up with 2-3 million of his own money just to leave Turkey early.

The other thing you have to think about is the CBA and if it comes up in 2017, he may decide to stay in Europe longer, if it looks like the players will go on strike.

[The Sixer Fixer]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

Hinkie said don't expect Saric before two years because he had read Saric's contact and it is not happening.

The players themselves usually have to buy out of the contract because NBA teams aren't allowed to, so Dario might have to come up with 2-3 million of his own money just to leave Turkey early.

The other thing you have to think about is the CBA and if it comes up in 2017, he may decide to stay in Europe longer, if it looks like the players will go on strike.

I fully expect Saric to wait 3 years before he comes over.

If he comes in 2 years, his contract is bound by the rookie scale. This means his 1st year would start at less than 2 mil. If he waits the extra year, like Mirotic did, he can get WAY more since he's no longer bound to rookie scale contracts. I think Mirotic is getting well over 5 million his rookie year. Of course, I'm not sure what Saric is getting paid in his contract overseas...if it's not that much, I guess it could make him less inclined to wait 3 years.

[Agnostifarian]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

Hinkie said don't expect Saric before two years because he had read Saric's contact and it is not happening.

The players themselves usually have to buy out of the contract because NBA teams aren't allowed to, so Dario might have to come up with 2-3 million of his own money just to leave Turkey early.

The other thing you have to think about is the CBA and if it comes up in 2017, he may decide to stay in Europe longer, if it looks like the players will go on strike.

Didn't Mirotic stay in Europe three years after being drafted so he could negotiate a bigger contract than he would have gotten as the 23rd pick? He just signed 3 yrs, $18 MM.

[Ericb5]

I'd take Waiters on this team in a heartbeat. I Hinkie that he is a really talented player at a need position on his rookie deal.

Seems a bit too good to be true though if all we would give up is Thad and some cap space.


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[Negrodamus]

I'd take Waiters on this team in a heartbeat. I Hinkie that he is a really talented player at a need position on his rookie deal.

Seems a bit too good to be true though if all we would give up is Thad and some cap space.


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With the Bulls coming in with a legitimate proposal for Love, I think the Cavs need to sweat a little bit. If they need us to make the deal work, then we are in a position of power.

[Negrodamus]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

Hinkie said don't expect Saric before two years because he had read Saric's contact and it is not happening.

http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/124 ... t-two.html

This is what I remembered around the draft time and thinking that he might want to come sooner rather than later. If Hinkie has come out since then and said something about Saric guaranteed to be over there for 2 years, then I missed it. This link is just the first one I found, I remember Saric saying it in an interview.

[sixers hoops]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

Hinkie said don't expect Saric before two years because he had read Saric's contact and it is not happening.

http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/124 ... t-two.html

This is what I remembered around the draft time and thinking that he might want to come sooner rather than later. If Hinkie has come out since then and said something about Saric guaranteed to be over there for 2 years, then I missed it. This link is just the first one I found, I remember Saric saying it in an interview.

Hinkie said at the press conference the day after the draft, when asked about the one year rumor, that it isn't very realistic and it should be at least two years.

He seemed pretty confident about the minimum two year wait.

[Moses_Doc_83]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

There's no second year out in his Turkish contract. Saric was emphatic at the intro presser that he would be in the NBA in two years. So I wouldn't worry about year 3, he obviously has an acceptable out. Although I suppose his agent could tell him to wait the extra year and then sign a MLE deal in 2017. Either way, he's a big asset to have in play, look at the Bulls with Mirotic. Saric will most likely be considered the best Euro after next year.

[MCtripDub]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

There's no second year out in his Turkish contract. Saric was emphatic at the intro presser that he would be in the NBA in two years. So I wouldn't worry about year 3, he obviously has an acceptable out. Although I suppose his agent could tell him to wait the extra year and then sign a MLE deal in 2017. Either way, he's a big asset to have in play, look at the Bulls with Mirotic. Saric will most likely be considered the best Euro after next year.

This. Honestly I don't mind waiting for players especially those with amazing upside. Looking at the spurs' success, it all started with waiting for David Robinson, then also waiting for manu Ginobili. Both most def hall of famers in my eyes.


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[AAKing23]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

I don't see Saric as a starting 3, Him guarding Melo, LeBron, George or Durant

[Cokeleaf]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

I don't see Saric as a starting 3, Him guarding Melo, LeBron, George or Durant

It's a trick. We make them think that they have an advantage at that position. Once they get past Saric, Nerlens will swat his shot back out

[Negrodamus]

Hinkie said don't expect Saric before two years because he had read Saric's contact and it is not happening.

http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/124 ... t-two.html

This is what I remembered around the draft time and thinking that he might want to come sooner rather than later. If Hinkie has come out since then and said something about Saric guaranteed to be over there for 2 years, then I missed it. This link is just the first one I found, I remember Saric saying it in an interview.

Hinkie said at the press conference the day after the draft, when asked about the one year rumor, that it isn't very realistic and it should be at least two years.

He seemed pretty confident about the minimum two year wait.

I stand corrected then. I guess we won't see that lineup for 2 years.

[Mr Sixer]

If we are looking like a very nice team by seasons end (if we add Waiter), I think Hinkie will try to make a push to bring Saric over immediately. Next year would be such a fun team to watch:

PG- MCW
SG- Waiters
SF- Saric
PF- Noel
C- Embiid

Pretty massive lineup. Also decently unselfish across the board.

I don't see Saric as a starting 3, Him guarding Melo, LeBron, George or Durant

That's what McDefense is for

[marcush]

Salary floor is based on actual cash paid out.

This is how I understood this also. Salary floor does not equal salary cap. Therefore in a Lin or Asik type scenario 8 mill would count against the cap whereas the 15 would count against the floor. Amnesties are another payment that counts against the floor.

We took on approx. 4 mill in annual salary with the Indiana trade but that probably would not have been enough to push us over the floor. I don't know their pay periods so its hard to prorate the actual salary paid. I am thinking that the Maynor buy out may have actually been what got us over the floor and if that was the case his salary will count against the cap in 2015 but not against the floor. Maybe.

I already explained this in a previous post (7/22, 5:38pm), but the salary floor and the salary cap are calculated the exact same way. They aren't different things. Team salary is calculated based on player annual salaries on the last day of the regular season. If you are under the floor amount, you pay the difference (meaning the minimum salary floor number ($56.75M or whatever minus the total team salary) gets split among the players). If you're over the cap amount you pay the luxury tax.

We did reach the floor last year, because Granger's entire annual salary was calculated into the team salary calculations. Buy-outs/amnesties - those amounts are meaningless - the player's original salary amount counts in the team salary calculation.

Jeremy Lin's contract was a Poison Pill contract - meaning that even though the team had to pay him $15M in salary for this year, only $9M counted towards the salary cap. That means that only $9M also would have counted to the salary floor. Again, same thing. Maybe it's easier to say that only $9M would count to the total team salary calculation.

Will have to agree to disagree here. I have dug the following up from Shamsports;
http://www.shamsports.com/2014/02/this-post-is-no-longer-relevant.html