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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1801 » by ivysixer2000 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:58 am

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I thought, considering everything, passing up on Nerlens turns out good for him. Atleast he can optimally use his cap for a Hayward or George while also ending up with Jaylen.


I just don't see how those 2 would help them, they are already loaded up at those positions.

They need a big man, and Noel would've at least helped them out a lil with that issue.


ivysixer2017 would say, you cant have too many wings nowadays


:lol: Just saying, they have way too many SFs, but I hope they do spend a whole lot of money on another one.
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Post#1802 » by 76ciology » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:54 pm

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I just don't see how those 2 would help them, they are already loaded up at those positions.

They need a big man, and Noel would've at least helped them out a lil with that issue.


ivysixer2017 would say, you cant have too many wings nowadays


:lol: Just saying, they have way too many SFs, but I hope they do spend a whole lot of money on another one.


:)

For the Celtics,I'd rather have a log jam with George,crowder,Jaylen&Tatum and the redundancy of Hayward than the luxury of Noel.

If they think they need a C, they could have easily went for Jordan Bell over Ojeleye. That saves 20+M on Noel, that could be used for Hayward or Blake Griffin
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1803 » by Ericb5 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:25 pm

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eagereyez wrote:Wolves trade LaVine and a backup PG for Butler and yet I can't bring myself to get excited about that team. They're still getting swept by the Warriors for the foreseeable future.


Wiggins is holding that team back. For as bad as they fleeced CHI... they probably are a better team if they had dealt Wiggins and kept LaVine. At least Zach provides spacing. You can sag off Wiggins. He's like a more athletic but non-passing version of DeRozan.


I think it was Lowe who described the TWolves post-Butler trade as an upgraded Thibs-Bulls team :lol: Same flaws in both teams


Well they have Towns so he makes up for a lot of flaws.


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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1804 » by ivysixer2000 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:33 pm

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ivysixer2017 would say, you cant have too many wings nowadays


:lol: Just saying, they have way too many SFs, but I hope they do spend a whole lot of money on another one.


:)

For the Celtics,I'd rather have a log jam with George,crowder,Jaylen&Tatum and the redundancy of Hayward than the luxury of Noel.

If they think they need a C, they could have easily went for Jordan Bell over Ojeleye. That saves 20+M on Noel, that could be used for Hayward or Blake Griffin


Well guess I'm not a fan of Horford at all, hes a PF to me and I would want a real rim protector.

I know our log jam at center was bad, but a log jam is still a log jam. Just cause the Warriors and Cavs have won a certain way doesn't mean thats the only way it should be. Just cause NE has won throwing the ball doesn't mean thats the only way to win. I understand its a copycat league, but your copying off of someone who did something different.

Noone that plays real mins for the Cavs or Warriors can guard Emiid, and the reason is there are no real centers in the league on good teams so they adapted to that. Doesn't mean we have to follow that path.
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Post#1805 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:12 pm

The Celtics' frontcourt is built to defend ball screens, not protect the rim or combat an actual bigman. They're not looking forward to Miami and Philly entering the playoff picture, I can promise you that.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1806 » by 76ciology » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:17 pm

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:lol: Just saying, they have way too many SFs, but I hope they do spend a whole lot of money on another one.


:)

For the Celtics,I'd rather have a log jam with George,crowder,Jaylen&Tatum and the redundancy of Hayward than the luxury of Noel.

If they think they need a C, they could have easily went for Jordan Bell over Ojeleye. That saves 20+M on Noel, that could be used for Hayward or Blake Griffin


Well guess I'm not a fan of Horford at all, hes a PF to me and I would want a real rim protector.

I know our log jam at center was bad, but a log jam is still a log jam. Just cause the Warriors and Cavs have won a certain way doesn't mean thats the only way it should be. Just cause NE has won throwing the ball doesn't mean thats the only way to win. I understand its a copycat league, but your copying off of someone who did something different.

Noone that plays real mins for the Cavs or Warriors can guard Emiid, and the reason is there are no real centers in the league on good teams so they adapted to that. Doesn't mean we have to follow that path.


At some point, I also believed that.

But teams now can pack the paint that is tough for a post heavy offense of bigs. Then you have to consider how crazy the elite's team's transition offense that forces teams to lean over a positionless line-up that has guys guarding multiple positions ( a wing heavy celtics lineup can do that).

..and the league wants that because that is what sells.

There are two types of wrestling. Like basketball, the ones that are bigs oriented is like professional wrestling. WWE is like the current high octane small ball NBA.

To beat the GSW, you need a positionless roster that can play pace and space but with better size. And I think we're trending towards that.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1807 » by ivysixer2000 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:46 pm

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:)

For the Celtics,I'd rather have a log jam with George,crowder,Jaylen&Tatum and the redundancy of Hayward than the luxury of Noel.

If they think they need a C, they could have easily went for Jordan Bell over Ojeleye. That saves 20+M on Noel, that could be used for Hayward or Blake Griffin


Well guess I'm not a fan of Horford at all, hes a PF to me and I would want a real rim protector.

I know our log jam at center was bad, but a log jam is still a log jam. Just cause the Warriors and Cavs have won a certain way doesn't mean thats the only way it should be. Just cause NE has won throwing the ball doesn't mean thats the only way to win. I understand its a copycat league, but your copying off of someone who did something different.

Noone that plays real mins for the Cavs or Warriors can guard Emiid, and the reason is there are no real centers in the league on good teams so they adapted to that. Doesn't mean we have to follow that path.


At some point, I also believed that.

But teams now can pack the paint that is tough for a post heavy offense of bigs. Then you have to consider how crazy the elite's team's transition offense that forces teams to lean over a positionless line-up that has guys guarding multiple positions ( a wing heavy celtics lineup can do that).

..and the league wants that because that is what sells.

There are two types of wrestling. Like basketball, the ones that are bigs oriented is like professional wrestling. WWE is like the current high octane small ball NBA.

To beat the GSW, you need a positionless roster that can play pace and space but with better size. And I think we're trending towards that.


My main point was what you mentioned at the end, size. We basically agree, the size has to be mobile like Emiid and such but you still need that size to compete with them cause they basically have none at the end of games.

In our draft picks it shows that we are looking for mobile guys with size. Green can't stay with those guys, he really should be being abused by now but noone can handle the other guys to take advantage of it. Hopefully we can do that, but we can't go in there with a bunch of midgets and expect to beat them.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1808 » by PLO » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:54 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
PLO wrote:
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Wiggins is holding that team back. For as bad as they fleeced CHI... they probably are a better team if they had dealt Wiggins and kept LaVine. At least Zach provides spacing. You can sag off Wiggins. He's like a more athletic but non-passing version of DeRozan.


I think it was Lowe who described the TWolves post-Butler trade as an upgraded Thibs-Bulls team :lol: Same flaws in both teams


Well they have Towns so he makes up for a lot of flaws.


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Agreed the Bulls had nothing like him under Thibs but he was pretty bad defensively last season and he's basically their only shooter from range in the starting line up. Butler will paper over a lot of holes on that TWolves defense. The main thing the Thibs teams share is a lack of shooting, made worse by Lavine going to the Bulls. Obviously its still a great trade though, Bulls were fleeced.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1809 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:13 pm

Dennis Smith :o
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Post#1810 » by SelfishPlayer » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:18 am

He landed interestingly, as if he has been taught the best way to land to preserve his long term health.
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Post#1811 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:50 am

Cute. But what happens to his game when his athleticism declines
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Post#1812 » by BoomBap » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:18 pm

He has like 12-14 years to work on his game before his athleticism is gone. In the meantime he will be the new human highlight film
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1813 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:29 pm

I think you'll be lucky to see 10-12 dunks from Dennis Smith this year. He just doesn't have the size to pull off dunks in the halfcourt like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook do/did.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1814 » by 76thBearCub » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:28 am

KJ McDaniels waived by the lowly Nets. It's funny, I read a recent post on the general board, and somebody listed him as one of the Nets "young core" players, in a post trying to justify things as being not so bad. Those poor bastards.
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Post#1815 » by Eyeamok » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:58 am

76thBearCub wrote:KJ McDaniels waived by the lowly Nets. It's funny, I read a recent post on the general board, and somebody listed him as one of the Nets "young core" players, in a post trying to justify things as being not so bad. Those poor bastards.


I wonder if staying with the 76ers and getting more playing time would have worked out better long term for him.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1816 » by mithrandir17 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:11 am

Westbrook wins MVP, now what should Harden do to win it next year?
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Post#1817 » by 76thBearCub » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:22 am

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76thBearCub wrote:KJ McDaniels waived by the lowly Nets. It's funny, I read a recent post on the general board, and somebody listed him as one of the Nets "young core" players, in a post trying to justify things as being not so bad. Those poor bastards.


I wonder if staying with the 76ers and getting more playing time would have worked out better long term for him.


I don't have faith in him being any good, much like the 6ers, Rockets, and Nets.

Maybe one day he carves out a niche roll off the bench.
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1818 » by BigSleep333 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:23 am

mithrandir17 wrote:Westbrook wins MVP, now what should Harden do to win it next year?


tell capela and co to get out the way, so harden can grab more boards i guess
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Re: Around the league 2016-2017 

Post#1819 » by LongLiveHinkie » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:52 am

Bob Myers wins executive of the year? Lmao what did he even do? Might as well just announce that the NBA's cap spike won executive of the year. It didn't take any planning or strategy to throw a bunch of money at dudes because the NBA cap jumped up.
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Post#1820 » by No-Man » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:15 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Bob Myers wins executive of the year? Lmao what did he even do? Might as well just announce that the NBA's cap spike won executive of the year. It didn't take any planning or strategy to throw a bunch of money at dudes because the NBA cap jumped up.

I mean, he signed KD, West, Zaza, gave McGee a chance, bought a pick to draft McCaw, brought Ian Clark back for the min.

Seems pretty darn good to me.

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