The TJ Warren Thread!

Saberestar · Post #201 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 11:54 pm

Hopefully he will give us more and more great performances before the season ends, this guy really knows how to play the game. He is our best chance to be a playoff team next year, he can really carry us offensively.

Post #202 » by **Qwigglez** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 12:05 am

I don't want to get too hyped about TJ Warren just yet, but he has shown a consistent performance offensively towards the end of the season. I think next season, if we keep the same roster, we are gonna bring him in slowly like Len. He'll probably be starting by the middle of December, though if he has a great summer league I hope we start him immediately.

Damkac · Post #203 » by **Damkac** » Wed May 13, 2015 10:53 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #204 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu May 14, 2015 8:35 pm

One HUGE reason I don't want the Morrises on this team - if we're going to take a mid-range shot, I want TJ to take it. We need a PF who either battles in the low post and crashes the offensive glass or who spreads the floor. Kieff does neither: his skill is the high post. It's great, but it's SO not what we need.

By the end of last season, 1/3 of our FG's were taken by a Morris. And as a fan - just, hell, they're so boring. Nothing they do is exciting or unexpected. And every time I see Marcus take two dribbles and pull up for a 20 footer I want to turn the channel.

MOAR TJ PLS.

tdjm · Post #205 » by **tdjm** » Thu May 14, 2015 9:32 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:One HUGE reason I don't want the Morrises on this team - if we're going to take a mid-range shot, I want TJ to take it. We need a PF who either battles in the low post and crashes the offensive glass or who spreads the floor. Kieff does neither: his skill is the high post. It's great, but it's SO not what we need.

By the end of last season, 1/3 of our FG's were taken by a Morris. And as a fan - just, hell, they're so boring. Nothing they do is exciting or unexpected. And every time I see Marcus take two dribbles and pull up for a 20 footer I want to turn the channel.

MOAR TJ PLS.

Hah, I'm the opposite. TJ operating out of the mid-range is cool and all, but he shot 72.5% under the basket in his rookie year (which is completely insane - forget insane, that's elite). The offense should be about maximizing his touches in the paint and under the basket when he's on the floor. Markieff has shown a huge willingness to pass to cutters, and guys in the paint in general (he assisted on a large proportion of Len's baskets, and Wright's too, in addition to those nice passes to Warren).

Teams put a lot of effort into stopping Markieff when he's on the floor. Until TJ (and Goodwin, sorta) started getting consistent minutes, nobody really moved off the ball to give him many assist chances (Goran did actually - at one point the Markieff handoff to Dragic was the best play in the Suns arsenal). TJ and Markieff are like a match made in heaven on that front, I'd love to pull Markieff out of the post and put him in triple threat position above the elbow and use him as an offensive hub (reduces the chances of our turnover prone point guards screwing everything up, too). I think those two could really mess some teams up - Keef draws the defensive attention, Warren dives towards the paint with a head of steam.

In the last game of the year, Keef recorded 5 assists (1 TO) from the power forward position starting with Goodwin and Warren. I really think there's something there.

Keef was used somewhat uncreatively this year, too many sets devolved into him catching it and nobody doing anything. He can either pass it off or post it up from there but if he posts it up and no one moves he's going to have to shoot it. I honestly believe Keef could shine alongside some of these guys with more creative coaching - guys like Warren could bring out the best in Keef, and Keef can bring out the best in Warren.

Damkac · Post #206 » by **Damkac** » Thu May 14, 2015 10:59 pm

I just want Warren and Goodwin to play 20+ minutes per game next season.

Fo-Real · Post #207 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri May 15, 2015 2:34 pm

Unlike many of the other clowns on our team, TJ is a scorer who can score both in iso situation, and through sheer activity and movement. TJ is a scorer and should get more leash next year to go at people from Jeff. He is also a willing passer and decent shooter and an active rebounder because he is always moving. The kid should cause problems for other teams next year if we let him.

Post #208 » by **batsmasher** » Sat May 16, 2015 8:29 am

Love TJ because he is 0 fuss. He's on Kawhi's level of excitement.

Post #209 » by **bwgood77** » Tue May 19, 2015 1:18 am

tdjm wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:One HUGE reason I don't want the Morrises on this team - if we're going to take a mid-range shot, I want TJ to take it. We need a PF who either battles in the low post and crashes the offensive glass or who spreads the floor. Kieff does neither: his skill is the high post. It's great, but it's SO not what we need.

By the end of last season, 1/3 of our FG's were taken by a Morris. And as a fan - just, hell, they're so boring. Nothing they do is exciting or unexpected. And every time I see Marcus take two dribbles and pull up for a 20 footer I want to turn the channel.

MOAR TJ PLS.

Hah, I'm the opposite. TJ operating out of the mid-range is cool and all, but he shot 72.5% under the basket in his rookie year (which is completely insane - forget insane, that's elite). The offense should be about maximizing his touches in the paint and under the basket when he's on the floor. Markieff has shown a huge willingness to pass to cutters, and guys in the paint in general (he assisted on a large proportion of Len's baskets, and Wright's too, in addition to those nice passes to Warren).

Teams put a lot of effort into stopping Markieff when he's on the floor. Until TJ (and Goodwin, sorta) started getting consistent minutes, nobody really moved off the ball to give him many assist chances (Goran did actually - at one point the Markieff handoff to Dragic was the best play in the Suns arsenal). TJ and Markieff are like a match made in heaven on that front, I'd love to pull Markieff out of the post and put him in triple threat position above the elbow and use him as an offensive hub (reduces the chances of our turnover prone point guards screwing everything up, too). I think those two could really mess some teams up - Keef draws the defensive attention, Warren dives towards the paint with a head of steam.

In the last game of the year, Keef recorded 5 assists (1 TO) from the power forward position starting with Goodwin and Warren. I really think there's something there.

Keef was used somewhat uncreatively this year, too many sets devolved into him catching it and nobody doing anything. He can either pass it off or post it up from there but if he posts it up and no one moves he's going to have to shoot it. I honestly believe Keef could shine alongside some of these guys with more creative coaching - guys like Warren could bring out the best in Keef, and Keef can bring out the best in Warren.

They do work well together. If they could both develop a little more range to allow us to stretch the floor for our point guards to operate and drive when needed, it could really be nice. It seems like we have a ton of players who are good from mid or short range or with floaters or finishing. It is kind of odd to have a Suns team that lacks outside shooting.

RunDogGun · Post #210 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue May 19, 2015 1:56 am

I was really hoping Bullock's DLeague numbers from three would translate to regular games, but he struggled shooting.

Post #211 » by **bwgood77** » Tue May 19, 2015 2:25 am

RunDogGun wrote:I was really hoping Bullock's DLeague numbers from three would translate to regular games, but he struggled shooting.

Hopefully this is a matter of playing time and getting used to the speed at the nba level. I was more excited to see him get playing time than Goodwin because we desperately need a shooter.

SarcasticSun · Post #212 » by **SarcasticSun** » Thu May 28, 2015 4:39 am

I'm so excited to see just how good Warren can get. I know I'm probably waaaaaaaaay too high on him but I really think he can be a star in this league.

JMac1 · Post #213 » by **JMac1** » Thu May 28, 2015 4:18 pm

SarcasticSun wrote:I'm so excited to see just how good Warren can get. I know I'm probably waaaaaaaaay too high on him but I really think he can be a star in this league.

I feel the same way. He looks like he isn't even trying. He should be starting the beginning of the season, period! He doesn't stand around on defense either.

Damkac · Post #214 » by **Damkac** » Thu May 28, 2015 10:38 pm

This is how majority of this board feels. I would be mad if TJ won't play at least 20 minutes a game next season.

RunDogGun · Post #215 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu May 28, 2015 10:47 pm

Why even put a number on it? He is young, and we have control of his future for a fair amount of years. He will earn minutes next season. The interesting part will be if the twins get suspended for ten or more games and Granger isn't ready to play big minutes.

TJ might get big minutes early in the season to prove himself.

Post #216 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri May 29, 2015 12:08 am

Agreed RDG. If TJ is as good as advertised he would play himself into the rotation.

I think what TJ has done in his rookie season is already very impressive. In the last 10 seasons alone, he's the only rookie SF to average better than 14/5 per 36 while shooting better than 52FG%. This is with no plays run for him.

RunDogGun · Post #217 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri May 29, 2015 1:40 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Agreed RDG. If TJ is as good as advertised he would play himself into the rotation.

I think what TJ has done in his rookie season is already very impressive. In the last 10 seasons alone, he's the only rookie SF to average better than 14/5 per 36 while shooting better than 52FG%. This is with no plays run for him.

What I really liked was other players finding TJ cutting. It seemed that Bledsoe found him often, and actually made good passes to him. With TJ earning his minutes, he also seemed to earn our older players' respect. It's a win win situation, where we have a young guy gelling with the team, all while chemistry is being built.

jcsunsfan · Post #218 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri May 29, 2015 5:13 pm

I wish we could have traded the Morris twins at the trade deadline. I assume we will continue to start them and showcase them until they have some trade value and then move on.

Is it possible that they have been humbled some by the events of the last few months.

PackSuns · Post #219 » by **PackSuns** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 4:54 am

Hopefully the Suns organization is smart enough to give TonyBuckets a bunch of minutes this year. He goes off in bunches and I assure you he will put up #'s!! I have watched him since he was 15. He's good.

Flying Colors · Post #220 » by **Flying Colors** » Sun Jul 5, 2015 5:10 am

PackSuns wrote:Hopefully the Suns organization is smart enough to give TonyBuckets a bunch of minutes this year. He goes off in bunches and I assure you he will put up #'s!! I have watched him since he was 15. He's good.

With no more Marcus, he'll get heavy backup minutes, and depending how he plays, maybe even takes the starting job by the end of the year, who knows