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BurningHeart wrote:Didn't get any notifications for responses in the offseason thread so I'll ask here....
Is Thomas a player I'll like? Meaning, does he flop, whine, or play like an idiot? How's his motor? Is he a punk? Did the idiocy/cancerous culture in Sacramento infect him at all?
Jdiddy701 wrote:Been saying it... Morris twins are worth more to this organization than anyone knows.
If they ever get traded, I will wonder about the FO.
Marcus & Markieff > Kevin Love
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
lilfishi22 wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:Been saying it... Morris twins are worth more to this organization than anyone knows.
If they ever get traded, I will wonder about the FO.
Marcus & Markieff > Kevin Love
Really? I don't see MoBros being potential game changer like Kevin Love is, or ever will be.
But that's just my opinion.
Jdiddy701 wrote:I would say their performance together are enough for Love's. Better teammates and cheaper.
I hope they both have long careers in Phoenix. I would extend ASAP.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
lilfishi22 wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:I would say their performance together are enough for Love's. Better teammates and cheaper.
I hope they both have long careers in Phoenix. I would extend ASAP.
I don't think their performance together is enough for Love. Unless they make massive improvements over the next few seasons, I don't think they would even touch Love's production. Love's TWolves suck but I really can't see them being even close to being as competitive if they had MoBros.
If you look at their offensive skill sets, they are very similar. Both face up players with mid-range games and prefer to use speed and finesse over power. Their defense is nothing to write home about but rebounding is obviously largely in Love's favor. I mean, put this on the GB and it would be a landslide. I think you may have your orange-goggles on.
G35 wrote:He may run a great offense but I wouldn't choose him over Amare to start a team.
Sun Scorched wrote:Just watched some of the media re: Thomas on Suns.com - granted, they're all promotional pieces, but I live this kid. His contract is fantastic. He'll be an instant fan favorite (almost, already is).
But perhaps what I'm most impressed with is the way in which we went about this. McD is brilliant. Per Thomas, we did our research, knew where his favorite places to visit were, favorite places to eat, had jerseys with his kids' names on them, etc.
That's next level ****.
Well done FO.
JDLAW wrote:To get off topic just a little
If you want a retrospective look at how F'd up the basketball media is and how far they jump to conclusions, look back at the comments in the media from such guys as Chad Ford and others. Ford in particular just before the draft commented on how the Suns were looking at point guards and other "executives" were commenting on this. Ford came on the radio in PHX to discuss how this likely meant that the Suns were going to let Bledsoe walk … blah, blah…. or they were going to trade Dragic….
Similar commentary was made when they selected Ennis - completely ignoring the statement by McDonough that the Suns were going to pick players with the idea they would be contributors down the road. Ennis is a prime example of that. Got the same rank speculation with the signing of Thomas. It is nothing more than McDonough's comment the Suns play 2 guards with playmaking ability and Thomas fits in that rotation. Still the media ignores the comments from Suns Mgt and continues to speculate. The next one will be after Bledsoe signs and the focus will be on Dragic - can't keep him because … [fill in the blanks].
But I think what you are seeing now is a signal that conventional wisdom be damned, the Suns are committed to having 2 playmakers on the court (call them point guards if you want), but I am going to call them guards and until the scheme fails, they are going to remain committed.
bwgood77 wrote:JDLAW wrote:To get off topic just a little
If you want a retrospective look at how F'd up the basketball media is and how far they jump to conclusions, look back at the comments in the media from such guys as Chad Ford and others. Ford in particular just before the draft commented on how the Suns were looking at point guards and other "executives" were commenting on this. Ford came on the radio in PHX to discuss how this likely meant that the Suns were going to let Bledsoe walk … blah, blah…. or they were going to trade Dragic….
Similar commentary was made when they selected Ennis - completely ignoring the statement by McDonough that the Suns were going to pick players with the idea they would be contributors down the road. Ennis is a prime example of that. Got the same rank speculation with the signing of Thomas. It is nothing more than McDonough's comment the Suns play 2 guards with playmaking ability and Thomas fits in that rotation. Still the media ignores the comments from Suns Mgt and continues to speculate. The next one will be after Bledsoe signs and the focus will be on Dragic - can't keep him because … [fill in the blanks].
But I think what you are seeing now is a signal that conventional wisdom be damned, the Suns are committed to having 2 playmakers on the court (call them point guards if you want), but I am going to call them guards and until the scheme fails, they are going to remain committed.
And you forgot the part last year when we got Bledsoe Ford and I'm sure others just automatically assumed Dragic was on the block.
jcsunsfan wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:I would say their performance together are enough for Love's. Better teammates and cheaper.
I hope they both have long careers in Phoenix. I would extend ASAP.
I don't think their performance together is enough for Love. Unless they make massive improvements over the next few seasons, I don't think they would even touch Love's production. Love's TWolves suck but I really can't see them being even close to being as competitive if they had MoBros.
If you look at their offensive skill sets, they are very similar. Both face up players with mid-range games and prefer to use speed and finesse over power. Their defense is nothing to write home about but rebounding is obviously largely in Love's favor. I mean, put this on the GB and it would be a landslide. I think you may have your orange-goggles on.
The fact that you talk about both their games as if they play the same damages your credibility. What you just described is Marcus. Markieff is a very good defender and seems to enjoy bulling through contact on offense.
No. The two are not better than Love primarily because they are two players not one. You have to combine Love with another player to get a fair comparison. Love plus any other competent forward is better than the Morri.
But in the argument, don't undervalue them either.
RunDogGun wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I don't think their performance together is enough for Love. Unless they make massive improvements over the next few seasons, I don't think they would even touch Love's production. Love's TWolves suck but I really can't see them being even close to being as competitive if they had MoBros.
If you look at their offensive skill sets, they are very similar. Both face up players with mid-range games and prefer to use speed and finesse over power. Their defense is nothing to write home about but rebounding is obviously largely in Love's favor. I mean, put this on the GB and it would be a landslide. I think you may have your orange-goggles on.
The fact that you talk about both their games as if they play the same damages your credibility. What you just described is Marcus. Markieff is a very good defender and seems to enjoy bulling through contact on offense.
No. The two are not better than Love primarily because they are two players not one. You have to combine Love with another player to get a fair comparison. Love plus any other competent forward is better than the Morri.
But in the argument, don't undervalue them either.
His description of their game is pretty spot on, and in no way damages his credibility. They both like to face up their opponent, and both rely on ISOs and midrange shooting. The only real difference is how they were used this last season. Marcus was used more often as a three point threat, while Markieff was used more inside.
But on the other point, I do agree, it's very tough to combine players to equate one player. The rebounding isn't even close.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
What have the Suns told you about how you can fit it in with what they are trying to do there?
If Bledsoe comes back, basically it's a three-guard rotation. They said ‘you're going to have a big role in whatever we do,' and that's what I wanted most, I wanted to be a big part of something. And I know they won 48 games last year, they were one game out of the NBA playoffs, and that's big. And I told them, when it comes to winning, I'll set everything aside because at the end of the day, you're judged by how many wins you have and how far you can take your basketball team. So like I said, if Eric Bledsoe does come back it'll be a three-guard rotation with us playing, they said there will always be two of us on the floor. They didn't really say nothing about starting or coming off the bench and I'm happy with that. They didn't tell me what I wanted to hear, ‘you're going to start from day one,' no, you're going to come in and compete and you're going to have a big role on this team.
How do you see it working? You guys are all three different types of players.
I think it's going to be good because, like you said, we're all three different basketball players. We don't do really nothing the same other than me and Dragic being left handed. We attack very differently, we're very aggressive in our different ways and we go about our games a lot different, so I think it is going to be tough for teams to guard that because you can't really scout three, aggressive, good guards that are proven in the NBA.
