bwgood77 wrote:I think our 2010, 2011, and 2012 off seasons we were making tread mill type of moves. Then in 2013 we hopped off the treadmill to embrace a full rebuild, bringing in a rookie coach, GM and flipping our vets for picks. Those were not treadmill moves. Then in the 2014 off season we let another vet go and signed a younger player, which is a rebuilding move. Too many, including me, the IT signing was a mistake, and it hurt us in multiple ways. In 2015, we trade yet ANOTHER vet (Dragic) and replaced him with a younger player (Knight), coming off his rookie contract, and signed ANOTHER player coming off his rookie contract (Telly). With all these younger players, knowing our team was missing a vocal leader, we brought in a classy veteran leader (Chandler) at a position where we needed depth.
Now I think there is a good chance that we end up yet again picking in around the same spot next year even though I expect our record to improve, so one could definitely view that as being on the treadmill and not going anywhere, yet as long as we improve and continue to add more young talent, we really mostly only have young talent that will probably peak in 4-6 years.
I understand that signing Tyson Chandler can easily be viewed as a treadmill type move, if one didn't understand the vast need for leadership and maturity the team needed, but pretty much every other signing we have made in the last two years has been trading out older guys for younger guys with upside.
Treadmill imo is when you are signing and starting a bunch of 30 year old vets to try and make the playoffs in an ill fated attempt to be relevant, with no real long term plan. I think it has probably been difficult to work with Sarver, as he makes it such a huge priority to just make the playoffs, but given those circumstances, I think McD has made pretty good to really good moves, other than the IT and possibly Tolliver signings.
But even if you look at the IT signing in the grand scheme of things, it basically allowed us to move on from Goran to go younger, which is the opposite of treadmill. I hated to see Goran go, but keeping him is definitely more of a treadmill move than getting two picks and signing a younger guy with upside to replace him. And then the IT signing also netted us a first round pick.
So even though signing IT became kind of a nightmare to chemistry and for Dragic, the result is adding three first rounders and signing a younger near all star as the replacement.
So I can't view too much of what has gone on as treadmill type moves. Every move other than Chandler is a rebuild move, and it is clear why we needed a guy like Chandler who will play a big part in the growth of our young team.
I don't necessarily disagree with most of your post but I do , however, slightly disagree with the definition of treadmill team. I guess I look at it more as a team that is neither progressing to regressing; just staying exactly where you are.
I disagree that the IT signing was bad, infact I think it was a great signing. I do think how the lineup was handled was a problem. Dragic didn't seem to care about the drop in stats/minutes it seemed he didn't like being relegated to an off the ball PG spot up shooter. Which I COMPLETELY agree with. Bledsoe is not a true PG and Thomas is better as a scoring off the ball player. But that doesn't really matter now.
I agree the Chandler signing gives us something we sorely lacked the last few seasons. But I don't think locking up that much cap room for a player that plays the same position as a player we view as a future cornerstone(Len). Chandler is a fantastic player and veteran. And he will hopefully impart some of that on our young players. And I understand that signing was probably somewhat motivated by it impacting LMA's decision. I really don't mind it. But I don't see how it's not a treadmill move. It's not going to put us over the edge and into a top 4 contention type of spot. And it doesn't allow us to slip behind teams like the Kings, Wolves, Pelicans, etc.
I like both of our guards but I honestly am not sure if either is worth building around. I really like Warren and I think Goodwin could become a very solid role player(like a Danny Green type of impact player). I want to see how Keiff does without Marcus in his ear. A healthy season under Len's belt would be nice to see. And Booker looks like he could develop into our starting SG. I don't like the term tank when it's done with purpose. But whatever you want to call it, I'd like to see how team REALLY build for the future. I realize we were all caught off guard when we were supposed to suck but came out and nearly won 50 games. But we NEED to suck. It's incredibly difficult to build a team these days without getting a couple of top picks.
I love Hornacek(assuming his backbone comes back to him) and I really like what McD and Babby(shocker) have been doing. Either way, as always, I will support this team.
). And a 3rd year Len is also better than a 2nd year Len, more than likely. And were we to sign LMA, would that be treamilling? Nope, more than half of those that voted yes would've likely voted no JUST because there is an assumption that LMA would have a bigger impact on our playoff chances than Tyson does.