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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#941 » by Flying Colors » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:02 am

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jcsunsfan wrote:Its time to think about building a team, not just adding great players. Booker is clearly a star to build around. That means that you do not want players that detract from his strengths, but rather players that compensate for his weaknesses.

I am not sure that Bledsoe is a good fit. Lonzo Ball would be a good fit. So would Josh Jackson. Andre Drummond would not be a good fit, neither would Okafor. Both are not good enough as rim protectors. Fultz would have to be more of a distributing pg than a lead guard like he is right now.

If Alex Len could just focus on protecting the rim, gobbling up every rebound possible, and hitting the occasional mid-range shot, he would actually be a good fit.


Seems I'm one of the few who thinks Bledsoe is a great fit next to Booker. His defense helps make up for Booker's crappiness. His scoring helps take a load off Booker.

You draft Ball or Smith Jr and you may be recreating Portland's god awful defense from its guards.

I can't help but feel more and more like josh jackson might be the guy we need, a sf that can start and provide great defense to cover up for booker just makes too much sense. We can let TJ be a sixth man off the bench, which is a role i think he'd enbrace considering his personality
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#942 » by NTB » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:04 am

Wall started the game with 8/8 FG 18 points. Please don't go for 70....
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#943 » by thamadkant » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:07 am

Bledsoe is dribbles the ball too long and when he passes its side to side... Not really a visionary that sets up players properly.


Josh Jackson as the playmaking SF would be my choice and have a gunner PG who can shoot outside and go iso just not Bledsoe... He is better off on another team.
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Post#944 » by m1chal » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:45 am

1UPZ wrote: and have a gunner PG who can shoot outside and go iso just not Bledsoe...


Like Brandon Knight for instance? Just kidding :lol:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#945 » by LukasBMW » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:38 am

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#946 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:03 am

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jcsunsfan wrote:Its time to think about building a team, not just adding great players. Booker is clearly a star to build around. That means that you do not want players that detract from his strengths, but rather players that compensate for his weaknesses.

I am not sure that Bledsoe is a good fit. Lonzo Ball would be a good fit. So would Josh Jackson. Andre Drummond would not be a good fit, neither would Okafor. Both are not good enough as rim protectors. Fultz would have to be more of a distributing pg than a lead guard like he is right now.

If Alex Len could just focus on protecting the rim, gobbling up every rebound possible, and hitting the occasional mid-range shot, he would actually be a good fit.


Seems I'm one of the few who thinks Bledsoe is a great fit next to Booker. His defense helps make up for Booker's crappiness. His scoring helps take a load off Booker.

You draft Ball or Smith Jr and you may be recreating Portland's god awful defense from its guards.


Bledsoe has become one of the worst defensive starting point guards in the league. This was mentioned on the trade board and I examined stats. The guy was right.
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Post#947 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:20 am

How does Portland's backcourt average 50 points @ 114 O-Rating and they're 9th seed.

That's a bit scary, best case scenario combo of Fultz-Booker hopefully turns out better.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#948 » by Villalobos » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:36 am

bwgood77 wrote:
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jcsunsfan wrote:Its time to think about building a team, not just adding great players. Booker is clearly a star to build around. That means that you do not want players that detract from his strengths, but rather players that compensate for his weaknesses.

I am not sure that Bledsoe is a good fit. Lonzo Ball would be a good fit. So would Josh Jackson. Andre Drummond would not be a good fit, neither would Okafor. Both are not good enough as rim protectors. Fultz would have to be more of a distributing pg than a lead guard like he is right now.

If Alex Len could just focus on protecting the rim, gobbling up every rebound possible, and hitting the occasional mid-range shot, he would actually be a good fit.


Seems I'm one of the few who thinks Bledsoe is a great fit next to Booker. His defense helps make up for Booker's crappiness. His scoring helps take a load off Booker.

You draft Ball or Smith Jr and you may be recreating Portland's god awful defense from its guards.


Bledsoe has become one of the worst defensive starting point guards in the league. This was mentioned on the trade board and I examined stats. The guy was right.


Yeah, I don't believe this for a second. A quick glance at this year's DRPM shows him better than Kyrie, IT, Dragic, Delly, Lillard, Collison, D-Lo, Schroder, Mudiay, Rose, Reggie Jackson, Kemba, Barea/Deron Williams/Yogi who all started for the Mavs iirc. It doesn't pass the eye test for me either. Advanced stats like DRPM are decent and try to look at the individual by itself, but they're still biased by who they're playing with, like with Steph who's absolutely not a good defender but Draymond/Klay/Iggy/Durant help his rating a ton. Or old slow ass Tony Parker having a better rating thanks to being next to two time DPOY Kawhi and Pop's defensive scheme. Bledsoe had a garbage Booker/a mostly crappy (for most of the season) Chriss, Warren who's decent defensively at his best, and Chandler who isn't a good rim protector anymore. If he had even decent defenders let alone great ones around him those stats would look better. For instance, in 2014/15 when the team around him was older and better he was third among point guards in DRPM.
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Post#949 » by MathiasPW » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:03 pm

Villalobos wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Villalobos wrote:
Seems I'm one of the few who thinks Bledsoe is a great fit next to Booker. His defense helps make up for Booker's crappiness. His scoring helps take a load off Booker.

You draft Ball or Smith Jr and you may be recreating Portland's god awful defense from its guards.


Bledsoe has become one of the worst defensive starting point guards in the league. This was mentioned on the trade board and I examined stats. The guy was right.


Yeah, I don't believe this for a second. A quick glance at this year's DRPM shows him better than Kyrie, IT, Dragic, Delly, Lillard, Collison, D-Lo, Schroder, Mudiay, Rose, Reggie Jackson, Kemba, Barea/Deron Williams/Yogi who all started for the Mavs iirc. It doesn't pass the eye test for me either. Advanced stats like DRPM are decent and try to look at the individual by itself, but they're still biased by who they're playing with, like with Steph who's absolutely not a good defender but Draymond/Klay/Iggy/Durant help his rating a ton. Or old slow ass Tony Parker having a better rating thanks to being next to two time DPOY Kawhi and Pop's defensive scheme. Bledsoe had a garbage Booker/a mostly crappy (for most of the season) Chriss, Warren who's decent defensively at his best, and Chandler who isn't a good rim protector anymore. If he had even decent defenders let alone great ones around him those stats would look better. For instance, in 2014/15 when the team around him was older and better he was third among point guards in DRPM.

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I think the idea of trading Bledsoe for another pick, although being sexy, has little to no chance of happening.

FO is working hard on making the Suns a well-recognized franchise again, and taking good care of their family. You don't trade away your premier player like that to a struggling team for their top-10 pick (unless it's for the Celtics who will be contending soon).

Now, at the next trade deadline, when you can package him for another player to a good winning team so he doesn't leave bitter, that I could see happening.
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Post#950 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:11 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
Villalobos wrote:
Seems I'm one of the few who thinks Bledsoe is a great fit next to Booker. His defense helps make up for Booker's crappiness. His scoring helps take a load off Booker.

You draft Ball or Smith Jr and you may be recreating Portland's god awful defense from its guards.


Bledsoe has become one of the worst defensive starting point guards in the league. This was mentioned on the trade board and I examined stats. The guy was right.


Yeah, I don't believe this for a second. A quick glance at this year's DRPM shows him better than Kyrie, IT, Dragic, Delly, Lillard, Collison, D-Lo, Schroder, Mudiay, Rose, Reggie Jackson, Kemba, Barea/Deron Williams/Yogi who all started for the Mavs iirc. It doesn't pass the eye test for me either. Advanced stats like DRPM are decent and try to look at the individual by itself, but they're still biased by who they're playing with, like with Steph who's absolutely not a good defender but Draymond/Klay/Iggy/Durant help his rating a ton. Or old slow ass Tony Parker having a better rating thanks to being next to two time DPOY Kawhi and Pop's defensive scheme. Bledsoe had a garbage Booker/a mostly crappy (for most of the season) Chriss, Warren who's decent defensively at his best, and Chandler who isn't a good rim protector anymore. If he had even decent defenders let alone great ones around him those stats would look better. For instance, in 2014/15 when the team around him was older and better he was third among point guards in DRPM.


There are maybe 5 good point guards on that list. The others are either old, have gone through significant injuries, are very young, or should not be starting point guards. Even considering all of them, it puts him in bottom half of defenders in the league. His DRPM is negative as well.
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Post#951 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:11 pm

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Villalobos wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Bledsoe has become one of the worst defensive starting point guards in the league. This was mentioned on the trade board and I examined stats. The guy was right.


Yeah, I don't believe this for a second. A quick glance at this year's DRPM shows him better than Kyrie, IT, Dragic, Delly, Lillard, Collison, D-Lo, Schroder, Mudiay, Rose, Reggie Jackson, Kemba, Barea/Deron Williams/Yogi who all started for the Mavs iirc. It doesn't pass the eye test for me either. Advanced stats like DRPM are decent and try to look at the individual by itself, but they're still biased by who they're playing with, like with Steph who's absolutely not a good defender but Draymond/Klay/Iggy/Durant help his rating a ton. Or old slow ass Tony Parker having a better rating thanks to being next to two time DPOY Kawhi and Pop's defensive scheme. Bledsoe had a garbage Booker/a mostly crappy (for most of the season) Chriss, Warren who's decent defensively at his best, and Chandler who isn't a good rim protector anymore. If he had even decent defenders let alone great ones around him those stats would look better. For instance, in 2014/15 when the team around him was older and better he was third among point guards in DRPM.

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I think the idea of trading Bledsoe for another pick, although being sexy, has little to no chance of happening.

FO is working hard on making the Suns a well-recognized franchise again, and taking good care of their family. You don't trade away your premier player like that to a struggling team for their top-10 pick (unless it's for the Celtics who will be contending soon).

Now, at the next trade deadline, when you can package him for another player to a good winning team so he doesn't leave bitter, that I could see happening.


I agree with this.
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Post#952 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:12 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
MathiasPW wrote:
Villalobos wrote:
Yeah, I don't believe this for a second. A quick glance at this year's DRPM shows him better than Kyrie, IT, Dragic, Delly, Lillard, Collison, D-Lo, Schroder, Mudiay, Rose, Reggie Jackson, Kemba, Barea/Deron Williams/Yogi who all started for the Mavs iirc. It doesn't pass the eye test for me either. Advanced stats like DRPM are decent and try to look at the individual by itself, but they're still biased by who they're playing with, like with Steph who's absolutely not a good defender but Draymond/Klay/Iggy/Durant help his rating a ton. Or old slow ass Tony Parker having a better rating thanks to being next to two time DPOY Kawhi and Pop's defensive scheme. Bledsoe had a garbage Booker/a mostly crappy (for most of the season) Chriss, Warren who's decent defensively at his best, and Chandler who isn't a good rim protector anymore. If he had even decent defenders let alone great ones around him those stats would look better. For instance, in 2014/15 when the team around him was older and better he was third among point guards in DRPM.

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I think the idea of trading Bledsoe for another pick, although being sexy, has little to no chance of happening.

FO is working hard on making the Suns a well-recognized franchise again, and taking good care of their family. You don't trade away your premier player like that to a struggling team for their top-10 pick (unless it's for the Celtics who will be contending soon).

Now, at the next trade deadline, when you can package him for another player to a good winning team so he doesn't leave bitter, that I could see happening.


I agree with this.


IDK. Bledsoe's done all we've asked of him, but I bet he'd like to be on a team in the playoff picture. Whether we will be thought to have treated him well likely depends on whether we send him to a good situation or a bad one, rather than when we trade him.
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Post#953 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:13 pm

Better trades are made in the summer.
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Post#954 » by DirtyDez » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:15 pm

Fox
Booker
Jackson
Chriss
Len

However that happens I would feel good going forward with it.
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Post#955 » by TeamTragic » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:17 pm

I'm not going to compare Bledsoe and his defensive stats this season. I honestly just want to see his offensive skills and this offseason revaluate whether his position can be upgraded in the draft.
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Post#956 » by NTB » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:22 pm

Bledsoe - Booker - Jackson - Chriss - X
Ulis - Barbosa (?) - Warren - Bender - Williams

I like it. I think we'll have one of the most underrated bench squads in NBA.
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Post#957 » by OGBAH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:09 am

NTB wrote:Bledsoe - Booker - Jackson - Chriss - X
Ulis - Barbosa (?) - Warren - Bender - Williams

I like it. I think we'll have one of the most underrated bench squads in NBA.

If Bender could be the starting center could Williams play PF with Chandler of the bench?
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Post#958 » by OGBAH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:12 am

Bench I'm looking at is
Chandler
Williams
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Ulis
Would that work the first year? Maybe
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Post#959 » by NaturalBuns » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:41 am

I want nothing todo with fox even if he looks appealing. Booker is probably going to turn into a prime time elite scorer in this league. He's def going to be chucking up the most shots so getting a scoring PG doesn't make sense.

Pass first PG would be nice or a SF who is a playmaker.
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Post#960 » by nevetsov » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:41 am

I don't think Bender will be ready to start, especially if we draft and start Jackson as well. Too much inexperience at the F spots.

Ulis
??
Warren
Bender
Williams

Is solid. Perhaps we explore if TJ can play both wing spots and develop DJJ as 4th wing/ defensive specialist.

Still need to address the starting C spot though. I'm not opposed to Drummond and his 40% FT though, because in close games we probably run with Bender/Chriss up front anyway.

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