The Sebastian Express wrote:art_barbie wrote:Appreciate the feed back.
here's the thing...who exactly do you guys expect to sign next summer? Miami is not letting go of whiteside and there is no way Durant selects Portland. Sorry. Between the weak sauce group of free agents and the fact that you aren't getting white side or durant...what is the plan with you cap space? Spend it on Lillard and CJ. I mean they're both great players imo and certainly worth it but you end up with the exact same team you have right now....which doesn't look like anything more than a 9-10 seed to me. and they both essentially look better on ball...so if
But with Taj, Niko, and Noah you get 3 starter for you front court...obviously you arent getting all 3 of them but you can have 1 and maybe 2 of them.
Niko 6 million (2018)
Noah 13 million (2016)
taj 8.5 million (expires 2017)
Snell 2 million
all 4 on value contracts with Noah's also expiring 2016....so you get the extreme value, legit starters right now...and cap flexibility in the next year or 2 to sign free agents in potentially 2017 where the free agent class is better than this summer.
I'm essentially throwing in Snell.
and throwing in #1 (bulls) and likley #2 pick (sac)
Your Gm would likley want
Niko, Noah, Snell and the 2 picks. Snell is finally getting a chance this year...24 mpg and shooting 46% from 3 on almost 4 attempts per game and is a good defender in the making...with great length-6'8" 8'11" wingspan and standing reach.
bulls Gm would not want to include Niko...and want you to accept taj (a likely deal breaker)
so your getting 3 starters and their Bird rights to go with them...making a combined 20 million right now.
Bulls front office would prefer you take Rose off our hands but we know its not likley...but if you dont jump on the deal above then your just over valuing CJ(which is understandable given his hot start.
sell high? he was only 16, 3, and 2 tonight on -11 right now with a loss to denver...now 4-4
Lillard
Snell
aminu
Niko/leanard
Noah /davis
thats a play off team in the west, but you would need a back up PG and SG. More importantly, thats a team that can draw free agents....durant might want to play with those guys.
but either way I appreciated the feed back...just seeing where you guys (your gm) are at with CJ.
I think realistically we all know we won't get anyone big, but rather spend on complementary players. However, the real issue here is those players you want to trade us would help us win this year. Not much, but too much. Most of us want to be well, terrible this year. WEll - terrible with development and progress shown. We want a top pick. With the roster left after, we don't get a top pick. I really like Niko Mirotic, and would take him over CJ probably every day. But I wouldn't take him over a top 5, 6 pick in 2016.
I think you need to look at it from our perspective and what we did last summer. We could've resigned Matthews and Lopez even though LMA left. We didn't. They treadmill us. The players you want to send us in this trade.. treadmill us. We don't want to be a treadmill team. That's pretty much our nightmare scenario, tbh.
We're all about those competitive losses!
niko was 2nd roy last year and has had 4 games 20 and 10ish this year with decent defense....so i dont think our front office is giving him up for CJ but if they did, i dont think you are predictably going to get a better player in the draft...and no offense certainly not your front office (past) that has been notorious for picking the wrong guy. But the current regime at drafting is much better with both lillard and CJ. Either way...getting a stretch 4 as good as Niko is extremely unlikely.
As far as tanking for a pick....you could still do that...flip snell/Noah for picks...play it out with Lillard and Niko-thats about a 30 win team...which (great start aside is where your front office was aiming I believe when they let mathews walk after aldridge left.
But the smart play is keep everyone...it would be a legit 50 win team with a designated elite #1 option in lillard and a nearly elite #2 option in Niko. And a recent and healthy DPOY candidate at C. Solid defender in Snell on the wing. All you need is a back up PG 6th man...and thats why you take Rose...Put Rose in the barbosa role...microwave off the bench and you then have a potential 55-60 win team.
Lillard/Rose
Snell/ ?(you need a 3 and D player here)
Aminu/harkless
Niko/leanard
Noah/ Davis
thats a perennial contender right there over night. And you got draft picks coming if included. So why rebuild at all?? Why draft at all?
Not to be harsh but right now you guys are staring down the barrell of 2-3 30 win seasons in row unless lebron or durant is in the next draft...and your front office makes the right pick...and then you got a new problem...only 1 basketball and lillard, CJ, and a Durant type player all need the ball...where this trade you gives you a clear #2 option that plays off the ball and a DPOY Center, a solid 3 and D wing, and picks...and remain cap flexible...there are no long term bas contracts.
I think 29 out of 30 GM's make this trade...with John Paxson being the only ne. its a no brainer. But I would do it because we are stacked at the 4/5 and desperate for a better scoring PG and CJ looks like that to me.
But I would try to make the deal Noah, taj, Snell, Rose, and our picks for CJ and Ed Davis. I'd get 3rd and 4th teams involved to take on whoever your GM didn't want (perhaps everyone) to swing other assets(picks) you way.