In Hindsight: Which pair of rookies would you take?

[Ziggy Stardust]

Only a homer would take TT over Monroe. You provided Thompson's stats for the past month and a half, and automatically assumes he is going to be a better player than Monroe. That's a very assinine assumption, considering Monroe just dropped 18/16, 4 assist, and 2 blocks on the Cavs and TT had a -19 despite scoring 19 points.

ok. Automatically? I just gave my opinion. Pretty ironic you fault me for a small sample size then use one game, and even more specifically one advanced stat to make your point. I think +- is borderline useless but if that was yours sole judge of impact then I guess Thompson is having a better year than Kyrie Irving.

You can take Monroe now and in the future, I don't see anything wrong with that. Personally, I'd take Thompson because I think he has more potential as an already very productive, athletic two way big.

Anyway that's not what this thread is about. I said it in passing, and if you really want to make a thread about it then go to player comparisons.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I wasn't using just one game as justification, but simply pointing out that your opinion of Thompson being better than Monroe is not a very accurate opinion. I didn't back my +/- argument up but it is a useful stat.

I think a lot of people will take Monroe with me because Thompson isn't a really productive, two way big yet. He's further in his offensive development than where he once was, but not that far along. IMO, he isn't all that great of a defensive big either. Certainly the potential is there though.

To give my opinion on the actual topic, I would take Ross and Val. Ross is a better shooter(mechanics and form) and defender than Waiters, while Val has just as much potential(more IMO) as TT, and plays a premium position with good size.

[Ziggy Stardust]

I wasn't using just one game as justification, but simply pointing out that your opinion of Thompson being better than Monroe is not a very accurate opinion. I didn't back my +/- argument up but it is a useful stat.

I think a lot of people will take Monroe with me because Thompson isn't a really productive, two way big yet. He's further in his offensive development than where he once was, but not that far along. IMO, he isn't all that great of a defensive big either. Certainly the potential is there though.

To give my opinion on the actual topic, I would take Ross and Val. Ross is a better shooter(mechanics and form) and defender than Waiters, while Val has just as much potential(more IMO) as TT, and plays a premium position with good size.

Disagree about him not being all that great of a defensive big. He's not a big shot blocker but he gets a lot of steals for a big, covers a whole lot of ground, and is a great mid-low post iso defender when not overwhelmed by size. His biggest strength is as a pick and roll defender. He's covered up a lot of Kyries deficiencies this year. His big problem is confusion guarding stretch bigs.

He might not be that far in his offense, but honestly part of my excitement level is that he's pretty much been good for an efficient 15-20 recently despite being pretty raw.

[DowJones]

Thompson's improvement has really impressed me. It's like the light went on when Andy went down. It isn't just his numbers, but it's the way he is getting his points. He is showing a touch around the hoop that he never showed before. He is also hitting his FT's at a much better rate. I think limiting his upside to a role player is really a slap in the face. When I think of good role players I think of guys like Udonis Haslem and Big Baby Davis. I think Thompson has already shown more than either of those 2.

Thompson's upside is interesting. I don't really know who to compare him to right now. I think Thompson is a 15-17 foot shot away from being a real All-Star in this league. He has greatly improved his FT stroke, so in a few years maybe he develops that. I think he needs to look at David Lee. Lee has really improved his outside shot and touch around the hoop.

I would take Thompson and Waiters over Ross and Val without thinking twice. Waiters has some very real upside that I don't know Ross has. Waiters can get to the hoop, he just needs to work on finishing better around the rim. He has already started doing that. He has a good stroke so I think that will work itself out.

[Ruzious]

I'm not quite as high on Thompson as others are, but I think he's solid in the Amir Johnson mold - not as a future all-star.

[Golabki]

Which two rookies would you put on your own team team if you could pick one pair?

Jonas Valanciunas + Terrence Ross

Or

Tristan Thompson + Dion Waiters?

Well, I think there's a pretty good chance that zero of these guys ever end up being top 100 players in the league.

That said, Vala is the only one with a really shot to be an impact player, so I'd take Vala/Ross even though Ross is probably the least interesting prospect.

Vala > Thompson > Waiters > Ross

[Ziggy Stardust]

Which two rookies would you put on your own team team if you could pick one pair?

Jonas Valanciunas + Terrence Ross

Or

Tristan Thompson + Dion Waiters?

Well, I think there's a pretty good chance that zero of these guys ever end up being top 100 players in the league.

That said, Vala is the only one with a really shot to be an impact player, so I'd take Vala/Ross even though Ross is probably the least interesting prospect.

Vala > Thompson > Waiters > Ross

Thompson already is.

[Fischella]

For me...

Ross, slightly better than Nick Young
Waiters, slashing version of Ben Gordon
Valanciunas, better offensive Asik/Ilgauskas as ceiling
Thompson, Kenyon Martin

So...

Thompson > Valanciunas >>> Waiters=Ross

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[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

What about Unibrow and Rivers in this comparison too? Where would they sit?

[BossHoggin]

What about Unibrow and Rivers in this comparison too? Where would they sit?

first and dead last

Davis > TT > Val > Ross/Waiters > Chukwudiebere Maduabum> Warriors new jersey > Rivers

[Roger Murdock]

I would rank them as:

TT>Val=Waiters>Ross