2015 Draft Class Better Top 3 Prospects Than 2014?

76ciology · Post #21 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:01 am

reanimator wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Dante Exum > Mudiay

That's your opinion. I disagree.

Besides vertical leaping, I'm curious to know where you think Mudiay holds an advantage?

More advanced skillset specially ball handling.

reanimator · Post #22 » by **reanimator** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:21 am

76ciology wrote:
reanimator wrote:
LloydFree wrote:That's your opinion. I disagree.

Besides vertical leaping, I'm curious to know where you think Mudiay holds an advantage?

More advanced skillset specially ball handling.

I guess we don't see it the same.

Post #23 » by **Marcus** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:24 am

reanimator wrote:
76ciology wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Besides vertical leaping, I'm curious to know where you think Mudiay holds an advantage?

More advanced skillset specially ball handling.

I guess we don't see it the same.

I can definitely agree with ball-handling. Exum has noooooooo confidence in that left hand. he never uses it.

HeartBreakKid · Post #24 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:33 am

I definitely like Mudiay more than Exum. I think Mudiay has better handles, better athlete, possibly a more talented passer.

reanimator · Post #25 » by **reanimator** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:39 am

Marcus wrote:
reanimator wrote:
76ciology wrote:
More advanced skillset specially ball handling.

I guess we don't see it the same.

I can definitely agree with ball-handling. Exum has noooooooo confidence in that left hand. he never uses it.

Exum is farther along as a shooter (especially off the catch), PnR handler (has Exum ever been called TO prone and a questionable decision maker?) and is faster with the ball, shiftier, taller, longer... I don't see ball-handling and vertical leap bridging that gap (especially since Exum is great at finishing and drawing contact) .

HeartBreakKid · Post #26 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:49 am

I think the top of each draft class is fairly comparable.

My top 3 for 2014 was

Embiid
Parker
Wiggins

Then there was a gap and I had Smart, Randle and Exum bunched up.

My top 3 for 2015 is

Mudiay
Johnson
Towns Jr

I think the best prospect here is probably Embiid, but Mudiay could surpass him with a good college season (or where ever he may play). I really think Mudiay has quite an impressive ceiling, and his floor doesn't seem too shabby either given what super athletic PGs have been doing in the league recently. Him being very pass oriented is a big plus to me as well.

The easy #2 for me is Stanley Johnson, I love what I've seen from the guy. Does pretty much everything you'd want from a scorer of his size and age. It's hard to compare him to my 2014 #2 in Jabari Parker, because I've seen Parker way more thus I am more exposed to his weaknesses. Out of HS Parker seemed to be better, but using the powerof hindsight, I think they are pretty even, for I dont think Parker will ever be a super dominant franchise player scorer. I can see them both being top tenish guys who score over 20.

My third player is Towns Jr, who I think is pretty good already considering he is bit of a project. I think his ceiling is amazing, and I actually think I prefer it to Wiggins. I think I would likely take Towns Jr over Wiggins.

So my draft order would go something like this

1) Embiid
2) Mudiay
3) Parker/Johnson (I have to think about it more)
4) Parker/Johnson
5) Towns Jr
6) Wiggins

For those wondering, I would have Okafur next (I'd take him over Smart/Randle/Exum).

Post #27 » by **Marcus** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:50 am

reanimator wrote:
Marcus wrote:
reanimator wrote:
I guess we don't see it the same.

I can definitely agree with ball-handling. Exum has noooooooo confidence in that left hand. he never uses it.

Exum is farther along as a shooter (especially off the catch), PnR handler (has Exum ever been called TO prone and a questionable decision maker?) and is faster with the ball, shiftier, taller, longer... I don't see ball-handling and vertical leap bridging that gap (especially since Exum is great at finishing and drawing contact) .

I feel u. im not necessarily calling Manny the better player. I'm just saying Exum can't go left. Manny doesn't have that problem. Both shots need work, Manny does have decision making problems at times, Exum's lack of going left makes him a liability and washes out the decision flaws in Manny IMO. The PnR play IMO is a wash. I think Dante has the better vision and str8 line speed but its not by miles or anything though. I think they're both beast in transition, Manny is more explosive at the rim.

It can go either way. I think Manny is closer to surefire than Exum is though.

reanimator · Post #28 » by **reanimator** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:55 pm

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EricAnderson · Post #29 » by **EricAnderson** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:09 pm

Mudiay reminds me more of Jrue holiday

MCDubbin · Post #30 » by **MCDubbin** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:51 pm

reanimator wrote:
Marcus wrote:
reanimator wrote:
I guess we don't see it the same.

I can definitely agree with ball-handling. Exum has noooooooo confidence in that left hand. he never uses it.

Exum is farther along as a shooter (especially off the catch), PnR handler (has Exum ever been called TO prone and a questionable decision maker?) and is faster with the ball, shiftier, taller, longer... I don't see ball-handling and vertical leap bridging that gap (especially since Exum is great at finishing and drawing contact) .

uhhhhh

Exum can't shoot and is very TO prone.

reanimator · Post #31 » by **reanimator** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:07 pm

MCDubbin wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Marcus wrote:
I can definitely agree with ball-handling. Exum has noooooooo confidence in that left hand. he never uses it.

Exum is farther along as a shooter (especially off the catch), PnR handler (has Exum ever been called TO prone and a questionable decision maker?) and is faster with the ball, shiftier, taller, longer... I don't see ball-handling and vertical leap bridging that gap (especially since Exum is great at finishing and drawing contact) .

uhhhhh

Exum can't shoot and is very TO prone.

I didn't say he could shoot, I just like his form better than Mudiay's

And Exum is TO prone in the NBA... Mudiay is having these issues against lesser competition

LloydFree · Post #32 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:12 pm

EricAnderson wrote:Mudiay reminds me more of Jrue holiday

A few months ago didn't you say Julius Randle reminded you of Lebron James?

E-Balla · Post #33 » by **E-Balla** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:55 pm

The top 3 to me were Parker, Embiid, and Exum. If I had to rank between the 2 classes Okafor is the best of all 6 but Mudiay and Alexander are the bottom two. Here's my rankings:

Okafor
Parker
Embiid
Towns Jr
Exum
Mudiay
Smart
Alexander

Yeah Towns Jr. would make them better but I don't think people are too high on him yet.

EricAnderson · Post #34 » by **EricAnderson** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:27 pm

LloydFree wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:Mudiay reminds me more of Jrue holiday

A few months ago didn't you say Julius Randle reminded you of Lebron James?

Ummm no godamn way lol

LloydFree · Post #35 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:45 pm

EricAnderson wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:Mudiay reminds me more of Jrue holiday

A few months ago didn't you say Julius Randle reminded you of Lebron James?

Ummm no godamn way lol

My apologies. It was not you. It was Fischella and Dr Positivity.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1265991&start=40

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fischella wrote:Right now, Randle best comp is poor man LeBron James...

Yep, Lebron might be closest comparison to Randle's combo of height, strength and explosiveness in the league... Have Randle ahead of Wiggins. I consider Randle's athleticism more valuable...

Post #36 » by **Marcus** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:01 pm

GC Pantalones wrote:The top 3 to me were Parker, Embiid, and Exum. If I had to rank between the 2 classes Okafor is the best of all 6 but Mudiay and Alexander are the bottom two. Here's my rankings:

Okafor
Parker
Embiid
Towns Jr
Exum
Mudiay
Smart
Alexander

Yeah Towns Jr. would make them better but I don't think people are too high on him yet.

When u say Okafor is the best do u mean most NBA ready entering the league? Cause I can agree with that. But upside wise no sir.

E-Balla · Post #37 » by **E-Balla** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:21 pm

Marcus wrote:
GC Pantalones wrote:The top 3 to me were Parker, Embiid, and Exum. If I had to rank between the 2 classes Okafor is the best of all 6 but Mudiay and Alexander are the bottom two. Here's my rankings:

Okafor
Parker
Embiid
Towns Jr
Exum
Mudiay
Smart
Alexander

Yeah Towns Jr. would make them better but I don't think people are too high on him yet.

When u say Okafor is the best do u mean most NBA ready entering the league? Cause I can agree with that. But upside wise no sir.

Upside is how fools convince themselves to pick bad players. It almost guarantees a bust. In a few rare cases a Paul George or Westbrook will come out but guys like Love and Rose are more consistently good (only Beasley didn't work out recently that had the skills and everything).

ManualRam · Post #38 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:39 pm

towns' build kinda scares me. he's naturally top heavy and his legs go all over the place.
his gait reminds me of bynum's. i wonder if all that armor around his knees is strictly precautionary.

immortalone23 · Post #39 » by **immortalone23** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:41 pm

I feel like Towns won't get much burn with Dakari and WCS in the lineup.

immortalone23 · Post #40 » by **immortalone23** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:43 pm

My 2014 Top 3:
Embiid
Parker
Wiggins
My 2015 Top 3:
Okafor
Mudiay
Johnson