Re: Cooper Flagg - HS
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:58 am
He looks bigger.
Kid is an absolute stud. Franchise changer.
Kid is an absolute stud. Franchise changer.
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FarBeyondDriven wrote:The-Power wrote:FarBeyondDriven wrote:I can't believe how good this kid is. He and Wemby are going to be the faces of the league for 15 years. I have no doubt he'll be a top 10 player almost immediately and should be an MVP candidate yearly once he's fully developed. The NBA is without a doubt going to steer him to a big market team with draft night shenanigans
Like they did with Wembanyama? Or Zion? Or LeBron? Or Duncan? Or Shaq? Or Kareem? Sorry, but at some point everyone should understand that conspiracy theories like this one do not hold up to any scrutiny and that it's just nonsense.
yes, exactly like those
Kareem went to an expansion team which was great for business and everyone knew he wasn't long for Milwaukee and this was before the lottery so it's moot. Duncan went to the Spurs because the league punished the Celtics for shamelessly tanking. Cleveland had the highest odds and it was Lebron's hometown, the story was too good. Wembanyama went to an organization that he had ties with (former teammates, french mentors). Shaq went to the team with the best odds but similarly to Kareem, he was never going there long-term and the league didn't want to reward the shamelessly tanking Timberwolves. The NBA gifted the Magic the #1 pick the following year as well to maximize Shaq's brief stay there. Pelicans just lost AD and needed a star so they got Zion. But like Shaq and Kareem before him, he won't be long for New Orleans.
scrabbarista wrote:FarBeyondDriven wrote:The-Power wrote:Like they did with Wembanyama? Or Zion? Or LeBron? Or Duncan? Or Shaq? Or Kareem? Sorry, but at some point everyone should understand that conspiracy theories like this one do not hold up to any scrutiny and that it's just nonsense.
yes, exactly like those
Kareem went to an expansion team which was great for business and everyone knew he wasn't long for Milwaukee and this was before the lottery so it's moot. Duncan went to the Spurs because the league punished the Celtics for shamelessly tanking. Cleveland had the highest odds and it was Lebron's hometown, the story was too good. Wembanyama went to an organization that he had ties with (former teammates, french mentors). Shaq went to the team with the best odds but similarly to Kareem, he was never going there long-term and the league didn't want to reward the shamelessly tanking Timberwolves. The NBA gifted the Magic the #1 pick the following year as well to maximize Shaq's brief stay there. Pelicans just lost AD and needed a star so they got Zion. But like Shaq and Kareem before him, he won't be long for New Orleans.
Like Wembanyama, Yao (8.9% chance) and Rose (1.7% chance) also both went to fanbases/organizations that were tailor-made for them. I'm not saying it is or isn't rigged. And "it's rigged" doesn't have to mean it's rigged every year. I'm just saying you don't have to look very hard to find lots of "coincidences."
scrabbarista wrote:Like Wembanyama, Yao (8.9% chance) and Rose (1.7% chance) also both went to fanbases/organizations that were tailor-made for them. I'm not saying it is or isn't rigged. And "it's rigged" doesn't have to mean it's rigged every year. I'm just saying you don't have to look very hard to find lots of "coincidences."
wemby wrote:scrabbarista wrote:Like Wembanyama, Yao (8.9% chance) and Rose (1.7% chance) also both went to fanbases/organizations that were tailor-made for them. I'm not saying it is or isn't rigged. And "it's rigged" doesn't have to mean it's rigged every year. I'm just saying you don't have to look very hard to find lots of "coincidences."
Ah, so it's only rigged when it fits your narrative, otherwise it's not. That's the definition of cherry picking, good job making a claim that's unfalsifiable by definition.
scrabbarista wrote:wemby wrote:scrabbarista wrote:Like Wembanyama, Yao (8.9% chance) and Rose (1.7% chance) also both went to fanbases/organizations that were tailor-made for them. I'm not saying it is or isn't rigged. And "it's rigged" doesn't have to mean it's rigged every year. I'm just saying you don't have to look very hard to find lots of "coincidences."
Ah, so it's only rigged when it fits your narrative, otherwise it's not. That's the definition of cherry picking, good job making a claim that's unfalsifiable by definition.
A) I didn't make a claim.
B) Why couldn't the league rig it sometimes and have it be truly randomized at other times?
you don't have to look very hard to find lots of "coincidences"
wemby wrote:scrabbarista wrote:wemby wrote:Ah, so it's only rigged when it fits your narrative, otherwise it's not. That's the definition of cherry picking, good job making a claim that's unfalsifiable by definition.
A) I didn't make a claim.
B) Why couldn't the league rig it sometimes and have it be truly randomized at other times?
A) You clearly implied it was rigged, if you mention that:you don't have to look very hard to find lots of "coincidences"
You're saying that there are anomalies and by putting the word coincidences between quotation marks you're implying there's a cause. That is saying it's rigged, only you're not owning up to it.
B) Have you seen the lottery procedure? It's filmed and uploaded into YouTube. I'd love to hear how you'd go about making the outcome deterministic, either to learn something new or for enterainment purposes.
wemby wrote:scrabbarista wrote:wemby wrote:Ah, so it's only rigged when it fits your narrative, otherwise it's not. That's the definition of cherry picking, good job making a claim that's unfalsifiable by definition.
A) I didn't make a claim.
B) Why couldn't the league rig it sometimes and have it be truly randomized at other times?
A) You clearly implied it was rigged, if you mention that:you don't have to look very hard to find lots of "coincidences"
You're saying that there are anomalies and by putting the word coincidences between quotation marks you're implying there's a cause. That is saying it's rigged, only you're not owning up to it.
B) Have you seen the lottery procedure? It's filmed and uploaded into YouTube. I'd love to hear how you'd go about making the outcome deterministic, either to learn something new or for enterainment purposes.
The-Stallion70 wrote:How good is this kid? I havent kept up,
I know he's 6'8" athletic nice overall game.
Is he like Luka?
To me he seems like a smaller but more well rounded Franz Wagner. Less of an initiator but can score in more ways.
The-Stallion70 wrote:How good is this kid? I havent kept up,
I know he's 6'8" athletic nice overall game.
Is he like Luka?
To me he seems like a smaller but more well rounded Franz Wagner. Less of an initiator but can score in more ways.
Duke4life831 wrote:The-Stallion70 wrote:How good is this kid? I havent kept up,
I know he's 6'8" athletic nice overall game.
Is he like Luka?
To me he seems like a smaller but more well rounded Franz Wagner. Less of an initiator but can score in more ways.
Pretty freakish defensive game. His on ball defense has taken a big step up as well to that elite category as well. His help side defense was his original calling card, but his on ball defense is elite now as well.
Also I think he’s the more explosive athlete compared to Franz.
mattao313 wrote:I think his offensive game is underwhelming he does not have a bag to go to at all. Guess we'll see in college.
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Colbinii wrote:mattao313 wrote:I think his offensive game is underwhelming he does not have a bag to go to at all. Guess we'll see in college.
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Correct. He isn't a Generational Talent as a whole and it is his defensive versatility along with Offensive Feel and IQ which gives him the total of Package.
165bows wrote:Colbinii wrote:mattao313 wrote:I think his offensive game is underwhelming he does not have a bag to go to at all. Guess we'll see in college.
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Correct. He isn't a Generational Talent as a whole and it is his defensive versatility along with Offensive Feel and IQ which gives him the total of Package.
I think this sort of undersells that he's in an elite mold, no? Elite defensive wing that looks like a plus on offense is right at the top of every team's wish list.
God Squad wrote:Andrei Kirilenko 2.0. He should be really good
God Squad wrote:Andrei Kirilenko 2.0. He should be really good
The-Stallion70 wrote:How good is this kid? I havent kept up,
I know he's 6'8" athletic nice overall game.
Is he like Luka?
To me he seems like a smaller but more well rounded Franz Wagner. Less of an initiator but can score in more ways.