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CptCrunch wrote:

tmorgan wrote:It’s pretty much a done deal at this point. Those that (rightly) see Cade’s lack of explosiveness as a detriment to his future performance have made their points. I understand the doubt. Just remember how many truly elite players there have been that weren’t in any way exceptional athletes in terms of speed, leaping, and quickness. Starting with Bird… and Magic.

Feel for the game, vision. change of pace, posting up smaller guards, these are all real things. Cade does them. I honestly don’t know how Cade’s NBA career will unfold, as he’s a fairly unique player. But he’s definitely worthy of the top pick for a team like Detroit.

His negatives can be summarized in a 3 points.

1/ The main criticism isn't his lack of athleticism, average in the league at best, arguably below average compared to players based on the natural position of his body size. For a superstar, average athleticism is the exception, not the norm. This isn't a huge issue for skill based players.

2/ Questionable passing IQ/questionable decision making/overrated passing skills or some other similar framing, his assist to turnover ratio is tragic for any prospect trying to play point guard in the league.

3/ Cade doesn't elevate his team like a quality PF/point forward. There is no efficiency metrics that shows that Oklahoma State is worse with him on the bench (or better on the court). This could be lumped into point 2 because Cade's main draw is his ability to play the point forward for a 6'8" player. If this part of his game doesn't work out, there is really no reason to take him as a wing prospect over other players.

All of this boils down to the thesis that Cade will be a middling point forward who will basically fit into the mold of an oversized shooting wing (with a good shot) with some play making abilities. This while being a great outcome is not an outcome you want for a #1 prospect.

CptCrunch wrote:

CptCrunch wrote:

tmorgan wrote:It’s pretty much a done deal at this point. Those that (rightly) see Cade’s lack of explosiveness as a detriment to his future performance have made their points. I understand the doubt. Just remember how many truly elite players there have been that weren’t in any way exceptional athletes in terms of speed, leaping, and quickness. Starting with Bird… and Magic.

Feel for the game, vision. change of pace, posting up smaller guards, these are all real things. Cade does them. I honestly don’t know how Cade’s NBA career will unfold, as he’s a fairly unique player. But he’s definitely worthy of the top pick for a team like Detroit.

His negatives can be summarized in a 3 points.

1/ The main criticism isn't his lack of athleticism, average in the league at best, arguably below average compared to players based on the natural position of his body size. For a superstar, average athleticism is the exception, not the norm. This isn't a huge issue for skill based players.

2/ Questionable passing IQ/questionable decision making/overrated passing skills or some other similar framing, his assist to turnover ratio is tragic for any prospect trying to play point guard in the league.

3/ Cade doesn't elevate his team like a quality PF/point forward. There is no efficiency metrics that shows that Oklahoma State is worse with him on the bench (or better on the court). This could be lumped into point 2 because Cade's main draw is his ability to play the point forward for a 6'8" player. If this part of his game doesn't work out, there is really no reason to take him as a wing prospect over other players.

All of this boils down to the thesis that Cade will be a middling point forward who will basically fit into the mold of an oversized shooting wing (with a good shot) with some play making abilities. This while being a great outcome is not an outcome you want for a #1 prospect.

Looks like the Cade doubters were 100% spot on. Crappy atheleticism, overrated passing, questionable decision making, the same excuses used in college are now being used on the Pistons. Either Cade is the unluckiest man alive or there is something there about him not positively impacting his team.

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Cade hasn't even played 82 games as a pro. maybe we should hold off on writing his story at this point.

ftr, i was a doubter, but lets get a grip here.

Big J wrote:I think in the long run this team should be Ausars & Cade can be his Pippen.

SeattleJazzFan wrote:

Big J wrote:I think in the long run this team should be Ausars & Cade can be his Pippen.

ausar is shockingly good so early in his career, but at this point, you don't want him taking the shots of a #1. he was atrocious last night and detroit didn't get back into the game until he stopped shooting/playing. for now, you want ausar playing that do-it-all, as a Jazz fan, that Andrei Kirilenko role - of a guy who defends, creates for teammates, scores easy buckets, rebounds, etc. you don't want him him taking 16 shots in a half. the shooting just hasn't caught up with the rest of his game. yet.

Time for Change wrote:He’s going to average 21 ppg on 20 shots and lead the league in turnovers, and Detroit will max him without a second thought.

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

Time for Change wrote:He’s going to average 21 ppg on 20 shots and lead the league in turnovers, and Detroit will max him without a second thought.

He's playing with the worst spacing relative to his era maybe in NBA history.

HadAnEffectHere wrote:>Missed entire 2nd year due to injury
>Playing with two big men
>Playing with literally Ausar Thompson and Killian Hayes as his wings

I'm not sure how I can judge these few games he's played.

clyde21 wrote:lol @ comparing Deni to Cade

clyde21 wrote:

KembaWalker wrote:he is so slow, i'm not seeing it

he's not slow at all, he's just methodical in his movements because he processes information quickly, very deliberate and doesn't rush, he doesn't need to outrun anyone.

if I had to isolate an issue for him offensively it's his first step, but he's so good with the ball that he'll still have no issues creating space.