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Selby, Beal or Waiters

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Post#41 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Tue Oct 9, 2012 10:58 pm by Super Selby

Beal is not a good defender, idk where that myth started
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Post#42 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:53 am by Choker

ElMaestro90 wrote:Yes you are right on that, usually I value college games more as well!

In this case I think its a little different tho!
You already said it, in the Summer League players showcase their individual abilities!
Consider we are talking about scoring combo guards here.
They were drafted because of their individual abilities (mostly scoring in their cases, well for Beal maybe a little more), so in that case I think Summer League is a good indication to see the players level of ability.

If their presumed strength, which is scoring, driving, dishing, shooting is not displayed at Summer League it is definitely something to worry about. (Waiters case)
If they really flurish in SL (like Selby) I think its a good indication for those scoring guards, that it could translate to the league, which is also kind of an ISO league!

Your thoughts on that?


I dig that argument if we're just talking about scoring guards. One reason I don't like summer league play is that it negates the value of "team play" which I value. However with guys like Selby if you want to test out their individual abilities completely knowing that he's not going to be a guy that would be easy to incorporate in the context of an offense, that would be useful.
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Post#43 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:39 pm by King d

Super Selby wrote:Beal is not a good defender, idk where that myth started


You should watch more ncaa, or at least read scouting reports
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Post#44 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:08 am by mattg

I think how Beal is able to defend the uber quick guards and the guards who have size on him is a pretty big question mark for him at the NBA level. He doesn't have great feet and was often cross matched defensively at Florida.
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Post#45 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:50 pm by SaiCLE

As of right now Beal would be first on my list just because he had a better showing so far. While Dion second only because I have not seen what Selby can do.
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Post#46 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:36 pm by penquin11

SmooveCam wrote:That's not true Ram..

The Grizzlies have referred to Selby as O.J 2.0 and they're promoting him as their sixthman. Tbh I can't find a thing Waiters or Beal does better than Selby.


Beal can pass better, rebound better, and defend better than Selby.
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Post#47 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:18 pm by three6mofia

waiters got this
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Post#48 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Wed Nov 7, 2012 12:02 am by RandyBreuer

Selby
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Post#49 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:39 am by Ziggy Stardust

Waiters, somewhat easily.
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Post#50 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Fri Nov 9, 2012 11:23 am by Golabki

I'd put Beal slightly ahead of Waiters, but I do think Beal was a bit overrated going into the draft do to the lack of top tier guards. If you wanted to call this a draw I wouldn't argue much.

Selby is an interesting prospect still because of his play in the D-league last year, but he is well behind Beal/Waiters.
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Post#51 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:06 pm by three6mofia

i thought beal would be the best shooter and most offensively aware ehile i felt that waiters would have the best ball skills and defense. So far ive been right except for the fact that waiters has the best jump shot so far but beals shot is so pretty i expect him to catch up to waiters soon...
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Post#52 Re: Selby, Beal or Waiters
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:09 pm by Roger Murdock

This thread was very confusing for me at the time because aside from doing little in college, getting drafted late, and then doing nothing in the NBA Selby was getting more hype than two top 5 picks who were far more accomplished college players.

After getting PT its pretty clear that Waiters and Beal are a close 1 and 2 and Selby is a distant 3. Selby was basically thrown away in todays trade so obviously Memphis didn't value him at all. Selby and Waiters are on the same team now, and there will be plenty of minutes available for Selby if hes mediocre enough to earn them. We will see what happens but if Selby is 50% as good as the posters on here make him seem the Cavs got a great deal.
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