Frank Kaminsky

[JMac1]

I'm having premonitions that Sacramento will take Kaminsky at #6 if Porzingis is off the board (as he will be). Could anyone else see this happening?

Only a crack head who doesn't understand the value of trading back a few picks.

[Patsfan1081]

kaminsky is a better shooter, can put the ball on the floor a little, and has a back to the basket game, all around offensive tool set. olynyk is a poor man's okur, rebounds and shoots, but doesn't even have the back to the basket game that okur had. .kaminsky is at least a richmans okur, if not a poormans nowitzki.

Is he a better shooter though? Olynyk wasn't asked to shoot 3s at Gonzaga, but proved off the bat in the NBA that he was an adept 3 point shooter. Further, his shot %'s from everywhere else on the court (in college) were as good or better than Frank's. 53% for Olynyk on 2 point jumpshots as a Junior vs. 38% on 2 point jumpshots for Frank.

As such, since Olynyk spent less time on the perimeter, he actually scored A LOT from his back to the basket game in college. 64% of Olynyk's FGA in college were around the rim (largely from his back to the basket game) whereas 41% of Frank's FGA were around the rim. Both converted around 70%.

I really just don't see a big difference in skillset and I'm look for more than no because not. It has me concerned that Olynyk is a good indicator for what Frank's NBA projection could be. Not that Olynyk is a poor player at all. He is a solid rotation player, and I'm confident Frank will be similar. I just think this talk of Dirk comparisons and Okur as his floor is madness.

unfortunately olynyks stats in college don't represent the player he is in the nba, and i watched him in college and he didn't have any footwork then and he doesn't now, and no one is asking him to live in the paint in the nba which is why he is just there to stretch the floor because he can't handle the ball and you can't ask him to get you points in the paint. kaminsky is the better shooter as of this moment and will be going forward especially in transistion where it matters the most. olynyk might have an edge in the midrange game as a shooter but that's where seven footers get most of their open looks in the nba, while in the college game it is more crowded, and you know kaminsky didn't get the open looks in college that olynyk got anywhere on the court, in the nba those midrange shots will either be uncontested or they will be passing situations. if i've ever seen olynyk hit a three in transistion i must've overlooked it, but that is a skill that okur had and kaminsky has shown he has.
then there is dirk who is so fast to the line and will just kill you if you leave him open, i don't remember olynyk ever hitting a three in transistion and i think that is something that translates to the nba, unlike how olynyk got his buckets doesn't translate to the nba, how kaminsky gets his buckets will translate, because of footwork, ballhandling, and shooting skills that olynyk doesn't have because he's too clumsy. in the face up game, olynyk will never, ever be a threat to dribble past anyone, that's something out of the realm of possibility for olynyk. okur could do it every once in awhle, dirk has a great first step, and this is the part of the game where i wonder how effective kaminsky will be, i'm not too worried about whether olynyk shoots the open midrange shot better than kaminsky right now. so i think my comparisons are pretty valid. if olynyk was any kind of threat to dribble and create a shot he wouldn't be such a good midrange shooter because he wouldn't be getting those open looks so much. kaminsky is faster and more athletic than okur but really there aren't many 7fters who are good shooters and were good. olynyk is better than hawes, but not by a whole lot. thats the best i can say about him but i don't think its saying much because i don't think he's as athletic or as skilled, he's just better because he plays like he wants to win.
olynyk plays with a chip on his shoulder and i like that, but at the end of the day he's too clumsy and slow to be compared to kaminsky, kaminsky can do alot of things that olynyk simply can't, so i'd rather compare kaminsky to good players because it's a better comparison, while i think hawes is more comparable to olynyk in terms of overall effectiveness.

Watch a lot of Gonzaga games have we? I'll be honest, I saw Olynik play two college games during the tourney because unlike Frank, they didn't get much national coverage. I don't think it's hardly fair to compare the two. Yes, both didn't get minutes their first two years of college, but Olynik came out and had a great soph season then entered the draft and Frank stayed all four. Frank was a different player his soph year. What it comes down to with both of these guys is if they could add strength and be able to hang on defense in the nba. I doubt anyone knows yet what Olynik will become, he's barely played a hundred nba games and has yet to find his place in a rotation. I've seen him hit threes in transition and shoot off the dribble, I'm not sure why you said he couldn't do that. He's actually shown a good midrange game, I think your overplaying his clumsiness to prove your point. He's put on muscle but still has difficulty with lateral movements on defense and still hasn't learned to post up. Those are going to be the same problems Frank is going to have, he has good footwork, but still isn't athletic and isn't strong enough to battle down low. But really, their offensive game won't be too different in the nba, If you think Frank is going to have the same success down low as he did in the nba because his footwork is a little better, well I disagree. I don't know how you can say one is a better shooter than the other either. You don't see many seven footers shooting 35 % from three in the nba like Kelly, and he didn't take those in college. Maybe if Frank had a higher fg% his soph year there would be compareables, but you give no evidence to support your point.

[cram]

Christian Laettner

[BringtheD]

Is he a better shooter though? Olynyk wasn't asked to shoot 3s at Gonzaga, but proved off the bat in the NBA that he was an adept 3 point shooter. Further, his shot %'s from everywhere else on the court (in college) were as good or better than Frank's. 53% for Olynyk on 2 point jumpshots as a Junior vs. 38% on 2 point jumpshots for Frank.

As such, since Olynyk spent less time on the perimeter, he actually scored A LOT from his back to the basket game in college. 64% of Olynyk's FGA in college were around the rim (largely from his back to the basket game) whereas 41% of Frank's FGA were around the rim. Both converted around 70%.

I really just don't see a big difference in skillset and I'm look for more than no because not. It has me concerned that Olynyk is a good indicator for what Frank's NBA projection could be. Not that Olynyk is a poor player at all. He is a solid rotation player, and I'm confident Frank will be similar. I just think this talk of Dirk comparisons and Okur as his floor is madness.

unfortunately olynyks stats in college don't represent the player he is in the nba, and i watched him in college and he didn't have any footwork then and he doesn't now, and no one is asking him to live in the paint in the nba which is why he is just there to stretch the floor because he can't handle the ball and you can't ask him to get you points in the paint. kaminsky is the better shooter as of this moment and will be going forward especially in transistion where it matters the most. olynyk might have an edge in the midrange game as a shooter but that's where seven footers get most of their open looks in the nba, while in the college game it is more crowded, and you know kaminsky didn't get the open looks in college that olynyk got anywhere on the court, in the nba those midrange shots will either be uncontested or they will be passing situations. if i've ever seen olynyk hit a three in transistion i must've overlooked it, but that is a skill that okur had and kaminsky has shown he has.
then there is dirk who is so fast to the line and will just kill you if you leave him open, i don't remember olynyk ever hitting a three in transistion and i think that is something that translates to the nba, unlike how olynyk got his buckets doesn't translate to the nba, how kaminsky gets his buckets will translate, because of footwork, ballhandling, and shooting skills that olynyk doesn't have because he's too clumsy. in the face up game, olynyk will never, ever be a threat to dribble past anyone, that's something out of the realm of possibility for olynyk. okur could do it every once in awhle, dirk has a great first step, and this is the part of the game where i wonder how effective kaminsky will be, i'm not too worried about whether olynyk shoots the open midrange shot better than kaminsky right now. so i think my comparisons are pretty valid. if olynyk was any kind of threat to dribble and create a shot he wouldn't be such a good midrange shooter because he wouldn't be getting those open looks so much. kaminsky is faster and more athletic than okur but really there aren't many 7fters who are good shooters and were good. olynyk is better than hawes, but not by a whole lot. thats the best i can say about him but i don't think its saying much because i don't think he's as athletic or as skilled, he's just better because he plays like he wants to win.
olynyk plays with a chip on his shoulder and i like that, but at the end of the day he's too clumsy and slow to be compared to kaminsky, kaminsky can do alot of things that olynyk simply can't, so i'd rather compare kaminsky to good players because it's a better comparison, while i think hawes is more comparable to olynyk in terms of overall effectiveness.

Watch a lot of Gonzaga games have we? I'll be honest, I saw Olynik play two college games during the tourney because unlike Frank, they didn't get much national coverage. I don't think it's hardly fair to compare the two. Yes, both didn't get minutes their first two years of college, but Olynik came out and had a great soph season then entered the draft and Frank stayed all four. Frank was a different player his soph year. What it comes down to with both of these guys is if they could add strength and be able to hang on defense in the nba. I doubt anyone knows yet what Olynik will become, he's barely played a hundred nba games and has yet to find his place in a rotation. I've seen him hit threes in transition and shoot off the dribble, I'm not sure why you said he couldn't do that. He's actually shown a good midrange game, I think your overplaying his clumsiness to prove your point. He's put on muscle but still has difficulty with lateral movements on defense and still hasn't learned to post up. Those are going to be the same problems Frank is going to have, he has good footwork, but still isn't athletic and isn't strong enough to battle down low. But really, their offensive game won't be too different in the nba, If you think Frank is going to have the same success down low as he did in the nba because his footwork is a little better, well I disagree. I don't know how you can say one is a better shooter than the other either. You don't see many seven footers shooting 35 % from three in the nba like Kelly, and he didn't take those in college. Maybe if Frank had a higher fg% his soph year there would be compareables, but you give no evidence to support your point.

well, i actually watched more olynyk in college than i did frank because i like gonzaga because that's where stockton went. olynhyk has no footwork, he didn't in college, he basically was able to overpower inferior opponents but he didn't show he could do it against good rim protectors, and he is that way in the nba, but way less effective. in the nba the only people he can take in the post are people smaller and weaker than him, even then, i don't like his chances. as far as having the body control to hit a three in transistion, olynyk can't do that, he's too clumsy. and if he can't do that, he's not going to ever hit a jumper off of a curl. he will never dribble drive past anyone. i watched frank more than twice but not much, as soon as i saw him hit a three in transistion i knew his shooting was legit. i watched his footwork against okafor and towns, nba level guys, and he destroyed them with his footwork.

[Johnlac1]

Is he a better shooter though? Olynyk wasn't asked to shoot 3s at Gonzaga, but proved off the bat in the NBA that he was an adept 3 point shooter. Further, his shot %'s from everywhere else on the court (in college) were as good or better than Frank's. 53% for Olynyk on 2 point jumpshots as a Junior vs. 38% on 2 point jumpshots for Frank.

As such, since Olynyk spent less time on the perimeter, he actually scored A LOT from his back to the basket game in college. 64% of Olynyk's FGA in college were around the rim (largely from his back to the basket game) whereas 41% of Frank's FGA were around the rim. Both converted around 70%.

I really just don't see a big difference in skillset and I'm look for more than no because not. It has me concerned that Olynyk is a good indicator for what Frank's NBA projection could be. Not that Olynyk is a poor player at all. He is a solid rotation player, and I'm confident Frank will be similar. I just think this talk of Dirk comparisons and Okur as his floor is madness.

unfortunately olynyks stats in college don't represent the player he is in the nba, and i watched him in college and he didn't have any footwork then and he doesn't now, and no one is asking him to live in the paint in the nba which is why he is just there to stretch the floor because he can't handle the ball and you can't ask him to get you points in the paint. kaminsky is the better shooter as of this moment and will be going forward especially in transistion where it matters the most. olynyk might have an edge in the midrange game as a shooter but that's where seven footers get most of their open looks in the nba, while in the college game it is more crowded, and you know kaminsky didn't get the open looks in college that olynyk got anywhere on the court, in the nba those midrange shots will either be uncontested or they will be passing situations. if i've ever seen olynyk hit a three in transistion i must've overlooked it, but that is a skill that okur had and kaminsky has shown he has.
then there is dirk who is so fast to the line and will just kill you if you leave him open, i don't remember olynyk ever hitting a three in transistion and i think that is something that translates to the nba, unlike how olynyk got his buckets doesn't translate to the nba, how kaminsky gets his buckets will translate, because of footwork, ballhandling, and shooting skills that olynyk doesn't have because he's too clumsy. in the face up game, olynyk will never, ever be a threat to dribble past anyone, that's something out of the realm of possibility for olynyk. okur could do it every once in awhle, dirk has a great first step, and this is the part of the game where i wonder how effective kaminsky will be, i'm not too worried about whether olynyk shoots the open midrange shot better than kaminsky right now. so i think my comparisons are pretty valid. if olynyk was any kind of threat to dribble and create a shot he wouldn't be such a good midrange shooter because he wouldn't be getting those open looks so much. kaminsky is faster and more athletic than okur but really there aren't many 7fters who are good shooters and were good. olynyk is better than hawes, but not by a whole lot. thats the best i can say about him but i don't think its saying much because i don't think he's as athletic or as skilled, he's just better because he plays like he wants to win.
olynyk plays with a chip on his shoulder and i like that, but at the end of the day he's too clumsy and slow to be compared to kaminsky, kaminsky can do alot of things that olynyk simply can't, so i'd rather compare kaminsky to good players because it's a better comparison, while i think hawes is more comparable to olynyk in terms of overall effectiveness.

Watch a lot of Gonzaga games have we? I'll be honest, I saw Olynik play two college games during the tourney because unlike Frank, they didn't get much national coverage. I don't think it's hardly fair to compare the two. Yes, both didn't get minutes their first two years of college, but Olynik came out and had a great soph season then entered the draft and Frank stayed all four. Frank was a different player his soph year. What it comes down to with both of these guys is if they could add strength and be able to hang on defense in the nba. I doubt anyone knows yet what Olynik will become, he's barely played a hundred nba games and has yet to find his place in a rotation. I've seen him hit threes in transition and shoot off the dribble, I'm not sure why you said he couldn't do that. He's actually shown a good midrange game, I think your overplaying his clumsiness to prove your point. He's put on muscle but still has difficulty with lateral movements on defense and still hasn't learned to post up. Those are going to be the same problems Frank is going to have, he has good footwork, but still isn't athletic and isn't strong enough to battle down low. But really, their offensive game won't be too different in the nba, If you think Frank is going to have the same success down low as he did in the nba because his footwork is a little better, well I disagree. I don't know how you can say one is a better shooter than the other either. You don't see many seven footers shooting 35 % from three in the nba like Kelly, and he didn't take those in college. Maybe if Frank had a higher fg% his soph year there would be compareables, but you give no evidence to support your point.

I don't think Olynyk is clumsy at all. He's very well coordinated. Not fast, quick, strong, or a great leaper, but very well coordinated with good skills.

[BringtheD]

unfortunately olynyks stats in college don't represent the player he is in the nba, and i watched him in college and he didn't have any footwork then and he doesn't now, and no one is asking him to live in the paint in the nba which is why he is just there to stretch the floor because he can't handle the ball and you can't ask him to get you points in the paint. kaminsky is the better shooter as of this moment and will be going forward especially in transistion where it matters the most. olynyk might have an edge in the midrange game as a shooter but that's where seven footers get most of their open looks in the nba, while in the college game it is more crowded, and you know kaminsky didn't get the open looks in college that olynyk got anywhere on the court, in the nba those midrange shots will either be uncontested or they will be passing situations. if i've ever seen olynyk hit a three in transistion i must've overlooked it, but that is a skill that okur had and kaminsky has shown he has.
then there is dirk who is so fast to the line and will just kill you if you leave him open, i don't remember olynyk ever hitting a three in transistion and i think that is something that translates to the nba, unlike how olynyk got his buckets doesn't translate to the nba, how kaminsky gets his buckets will translate, because of footwork, ballhandling, and shooting skills that olynyk doesn't have because he's too clumsy. in the face up game, olynyk will never, ever be a threat to dribble past anyone, that's something out of the realm of possibility for olynyk. okur could do it every once in awhle, dirk has a great first step, and this is the part of the game where i wonder how effective kaminsky will be, i'm not too worried about whether olynyk shoots the open midrange shot better than kaminsky right now. so i think my comparisons are pretty valid. if olynyk was any kind of threat to dribble and create a shot he wouldn't be such a good midrange shooter because he wouldn't be getting those open looks so much. kaminsky is faster and more athletic than okur but really there aren't many 7fters who are good shooters and were good. olynyk is better than hawes, but not by a whole lot. thats the best i can say about him but i don't think its saying much because i don't think he's as athletic or as skilled, he's just better because he plays like he wants to win.
olynyk plays with a chip on his shoulder and i like that, but at the end of the day he's too clumsy and slow to be compared to kaminsky, kaminsky can do alot of things that olynyk simply can't, so i'd rather compare kaminsky to good players because it's a better comparison, while i think hawes is more comparable to olynyk in terms of overall effectiveness.

Watch a lot of Gonzaga games have we? I'll be honest, I saw Olynik play two college games during the tourney because unlike Frank, they didn't get much national coverage. I don't think it's hardly fair to compare the two. Yes, both didn't get minutes their first two years of college, but Olynik came out and had a great soph season then entered the draft and Frank stayed all four. Frank was a different player his soph year. What it comes down to with both of these guys is if they could add strength and be able to hang on defense in the nba. I doubt anyone knows yet what Olynik will become, he's barely played a hundred nba games and has yet to find his place in a rotation. I've seen him hit threes in transition and shoot off the dribble, I'm not sure why you said he couldn't do that. He's actually shown a good midrange game, I think your overplaying his clumsiness to prove your point. He's put on muscle but still has difficulty with lateral movements on defense and still hasn't learned to post up. Those are going to be the same problems Frank is going to have, he has good footwork, but still isn't athletic and isn't strong enough to battle down low. But really, their offensive game won't be too different in the nba, If you think Frank is going to have the same success down low as he did in the nba because his footwork is a little better, well I disagree. I don't know how you can say one is a better shooter than the other either. You don't see many seven footers shooting 35 % from three in the nba like Kelly, and he didn't take those in college. Maybe if Frank had a higher fg% his soph year there would be compareables, but you give no evidence to support your point.

I don't think Olynyk is clumsy at all. He's very well coordinated. Not fast, quick, strong, or a great leaper, but very well coordinated with good skills.

i don't think he's coordinated enough to hit a three in transistion, so i called him too clumsy for that skill...he's too slow and clumsy to do alot of things you want from a 7footer. take a look at okur, he could hit a three in transistion, but youd never run him off a screen, he's too slow for that, and okur wasn't lights out in transstion lke nowitzki. olynyk can't hit the three in transtion, and he's too slow and clumsy to beat anyone in the post except a smaller and weaker opponent. alot like okur, but okur had way more moves in the post than olynyk. since i think kamnsky is at least as coordinated and faster than okur, i expect him to be able to do what okur did, because i've already seen it, i really don't question that...i'm just wondering, how much will kaminsky be able to do things like take people off the ball, will you be able to run him off of a curl...i think you can.

[Ruzious]

I'm having premonitions that Sacramento will take Kaminsky at #6 if Porzingis is off the board (as he will be). Could anyone else see this happening?

Only a crack head who doesn't understand the value of trading back a few picks.

I wouldn't be so sure, because NBA team don't necessarily follow internet mock drafts.

[bobsquad]

I'm having premonitions that Sacramento will take Kaminsky at #6 if Porzingis is off the board (as he will be). Could anyone else see this happening?

Only a crack head who doesn't understand the value of trading back a few picks.

I wouldn't be so sure, because NBA team don't necessarily follow internet mock drafts.

Exactly. How any mocks had the Kings drafting Stauskas last season? Can't say I saw every mock on the internet, but I don't remember a single one. Common sense would have said "not a SG" because they drafted McLemore the year before. Heck, I don't think any mocks had Stauskas as high as #8 (though plenty did at #9, so it wasn't a major reach).

Sacramento 1) thinks they can win now, 2) thinks they NEED to win now, 3) wants to shoot more, 4) has a gaping hole at the 4, 5) has professed the need for a stretch 4. Despite all this about Divac staying in Europe because he wants a Euro player so badly, we don't know who's calling the shots in the draft. Last season it was supposedly a panel of fans or something. Look for Sacramento to target a college experienced, NBA ready stretch 4 who can shoot: Kaminsky.

[BringtheD]

i'd just like to add that any 7fter who can shoot is effective off the ball simply because they stretch the defense, and if you can run kaminsky off a curl like durant or dirk, then he is a weapon off the ball. that's like having a 7ft kyle korver. i'm sure everyone willlove that comparison but i have a couple more. nowitzki is the 7t curry and durant is a 7ft mj...go ahead, crucify me.
but you can run a play for kaminsky off the curl since he has the coordination to shoot that shot which most 7fters don't. you pull your big up and set a screeen, the switch is to late. he gets the ball on the weakside and either shoots it like korver if the rotation is slow, takes advantage of the mismatch and goes to the post if a smaller player gets switched, or pass to the open man for a better shot if he is double teamed. i think who ever gets kaminsky will be running that play alot.

[teerfour+40LG]

NBA ready stretch 4 who can shoot: Kaminsky.

The guy is 6'11.75" without shoes. He's not a 4. He can't play with Cousins because of defense.

[bobsquad]

NBA ready stretch 4 who can shoot: Kaminsky.

The guy is 6'11.75" without shoes. He's not a 4. He can't play with Cousins because of defense.

Kaminsky has stated his intent to play the 4 in the NBA. His camp is working him out as a 4. Good luck finding the next Serge Ibaka if you're looking for a defensive stretch 4 to play next to Cousins.

[teerfour+40LG]

Kaminsky has stated his intent to play the 4 in the NBA. His camp is working him out as a 4. Good luck finding the next Serge Ibaka if you're looking for a defensive stretch 4 to play next to Cousins.

You can't work somebody out as a 4. They're either a 4 or they're not. Position is determined by physical traits, not skillset. His physical traits make him a 5. He's 6'11.75" barefoot and not overly quick.

[BringtheD]

Kaminsky has stated his intent to play the 4 in the NBA. His camp is working him out as a 4. Good luck finding the next Serge Ibaka if you're looking for a defensive stretch 4 to play next to Cousins.

You can't work somebody out as a 4. They're either a 4 or they're not. Position is determined by physical traits, not skillset. His physical traits make him a 5. He's 6'11.75" barefoot and not overly quick.

height is not important as speed and quickness, and kaminsky doesn't have the speed to play a stretch 4; a player like draymond green would be his kryptonite, no way is he going to be able to keep up with someone like that. if that's what his camp is thinking they can sell kaminsky as then they are wrong.

[bobsquad]

Kaminsky has stated his intent to play the 4 in the NBA. His camp is working him out as a 4. Good luck finding the next Serge Ibaka if you're looking for a defensive stretch 4 to play next to Cousins.

You can't work somebody out as a 4. They're either a 4 or they're not. Position is determined by physical traits, not skillset. His physical traits make him a 5. He's 6'11.75" barefoot and not overly quick.

height is not important as speed and quickness, and kaminsky doesn't have the speed to play a stretch 4; a player like draymond green would be his kryptonite, no way is he going to be able to keep up with someone like that. if that's what his camp is thinking they can sell kaminsky as then they are wrong.

This is exactly what he's trying to show in workouts, though. That he is, in fact, athletic enough to play the 4. If he can run with power forwards, he has poor man's Dirk potential. If he's limited to center, then he's Raef LaFrentz

[Elden Payton]

Poor man's Spencer Hawes.

[JMac1]

Only a crack head who doesn't understand the value of trading back a few picks.

I wouldn't be so sure, because NBA team don't necessarily follow internet mock drafts.

Exactly. How any mocks had the Kings drafting Stauskas last season? Can't say I saw every mock on the internet, but I don't remember a single one. Common sense would have said "not a SG" because they drafted McLemore the year before. Heck, I don't think any mocks had Stauskas as high as #8 (though plenty did at #9, so it wasn't a major reach).

Sacramento 1) thinks they can win now, 2) thinks they NEED to win now, 3) wants to shoot more, 4) has a gaping hole at the 4, 5) has professed the need for a stretch 4. Despite all this about Divac staying in Europe because he wants a Euro player so badly, we don't know who's calling the shots in the draft. Last season it was supposedly a panel of fans or something. Look for Sacramento to target a college experienced, NBA ready stretch 4 who can shoot: Kaminsky.

You two guys just proved maybe teams should follow internet mocks, because Stauskas was a reach and a bad pick!

[BringtheD]

Poor man's Spencer Hawes.

haha, its not possible to be that poor and be in the nba.

[Elden Payton]

Poor man's Spencer Hawes.

haha, its not possible to be that poor and be in the nba.

Frank probably won't make it for long.

[BringtheD]

Poor man's Spencer Hawes.

haha, its not possible to be that poor and be in the nba.

Frank probably won't make it for long.

not if he's a poor hawes, that still is cracking me up. frank is a triple double machine waiting to happen, and hawes is a triple doobie in the morning waiting to happen, lol.

[JMac1]

haha, its not possible to be that poor and be in the nba.

Frank probably won't make it for long.

not if he's a poor hawes, that still is cracking me up. frank is a triple double machine waiting to happen, and hawes is a triple doobie in the morning waiting to happen, lol.

I hope you guys pick Myles and leave us Frank