Predict How Good the Rookies Will Be Over Their Careers

eltercero · Post #1 » by **eltercero** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:32 am

The levels are Bust, Average, Above-Average (maybe one All-Star game in their prime), All-Star (multiple times), Superstar (can be the best player on a championship team).

Wiggins - All-Star
Jabari - Superstar
Embiid - Superstar
Gordon - Above-Average
Exum - Above-Average
Smart - Above-Average
Randle - Bust
Stauskas - Average
Vonleh - Bust
Payton - Bust
McDermott - Average
Saric - Average
Lavine - Average
Warren - Above-Average

Fo11ower91 · Post #2 » by **Fo11ower91** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:44 am

Wiggins - Superstar
Jabari - all-star
Embiid - bust
Gordon - all-star
Exum - Above-Average
Smart - Above-Average
Randle -above average
Stauskas - Average
Vonleh - above average
Payton - Bust
McDermott - above average
Saric - bust
Lavine - Average
Warren - bust

noobcake · Post #3 » by **noobcake** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:53 am

Wiggins - Bust, will never develop handles
Jabari - Superstar
Embiid - Bust due to injury
Gordon - Bust, exactly like Wiggins but with even less skills
Exum - All-star
Smart - Superstar
Randle - Starter
Stauskas - Starter
Vonleh - All-Star
Payton - Starter
McDermott - Really good starter
Saric - Really good starter
Lavine - Bust
Warren - Bench

bigboi · Post #4 » by **bigboi** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:12 pm

Wiggins - Superstar
Jabari - Superstar
Embiid - Superstar if no injuries
Gordon - Above-Average
Exum - Bust
Smart - Average, possibly above average
Randle - Superstar
Stauskas - Above average
Vonleh - Average
Payton - All star
McDermott - Average
Saric - Bust
Lavine - Above average, possibly all star
Warren - Bust

Snotbubbles · Post #5 » by **Snotbubbles** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:54 pm

Wiggins - Superstar
Jabari - All-Star
Embiid - Superstar
Gordon - Bust
Exum - Average
Smart - Above Average
Randle - Average
Stauskas - Average
Vonleh - Average
Payton - Bust
McDermott - Bust
Saric - Average
Lavine - Bust
Warren - Bust

RSCD3_ · Post #6 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:35 pm

Wiggins - Superstar
Jabari - Bust
Embiid - Superstar
Gordon - Above Average
Exum - Starter
Smart - Bust
Randle - Starter
Stauskas - All Star
Vonleh - All-Star
Payton - Starter
McDermott - Bust
Saric - Never comes over
Lavine - Above Average
Warren - All Star

CaliBullsFan · Post #7 » by **CaliBullsFan** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:38 pm

Wiggins - Above Average
Jabari - Superstar
Embiid - Bust
Gordon - Above Average
Exum - Starter
Smart - Above Average
Randle - All Star
Stauskas - Starter
Vonleh - Bust
Payton - Starter
McDermott - Above Average
Saric - Starter
Lavine - Bust
Warren - Above Average

HornetJail · Post #8 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 6:38 pm

Wiggins - Superstar
Jabari - Perennial All-star/Borderline superstar
Embiid - All-star a few times
Gordon - Bust (still a solid player, just severely over-drafted)
Exum - All-star a few times
Smart - Bust (rotation player, starter on bad teams)
Randle - All-star a few times
Stauskas - Average
Vonleh - Above average
Payton - Below average (not quite a bust, but doesn't live up to expectations either)
McDermott - Above Average
Saric - Bust (just don't see it)
Lavine - Above average
Warren - Average

nicnac215 · Post #9 » by **nicnac215** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 7:31 pm

Wiggins - bust
Parker- superstar
Embiid - all star
Gordon - superstar
Exum - bust
Smart - average
Randle - average
Stauskas - Allstar
Vonleh - Allstar
Payton - all star
McDermott - Allstar
Saric - Bust
Lavine - bust
Warren - Average

rumdiary · Post #10 » by **rumdiary** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 7:41 pm

Wiggins - Superstar (contrary to popular belief Wiggins *can* take over a game)
Jabari - All Star (has pretty much reached his potential)
Embiid - Superstar (if he can stay healthy)
Gordon - Above-Average
Exum - All Star
Smart - Above-Average
Randle - Above-Average
Stauskas - Above-Average
Vonleh - All Star (just like at Utah, Charlotte will trade Big Al just to make space)
Payton - Bust
McDermott - Average
Saric - Average
Lavine - Average
Warren - Above-Average (best player on a sub-par team (like NCState), or average player on a great team)

Adreian Payne - Above-Average
Jusuf Nurkic - Bust
James Young - Below Average
Tyler Ennis - Average
Gary Harris - Below Average
Bruno Caboclo - I have no idea
Mitch McGary - Bust
Jordan Adams - Average
Rodney Hood - Average
Shabazz Napier - Average
Clint Capela - Bust
P.J. Hairston - Below Average
Bogan Bogdanovic - Below Average
C.J. Wilcox - Below Average
Josh Huestis - Below Average
Kyle Anderson - Average

jmnvcavs · Post #11 » by **jmnvcavs** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 11:02 pm

Wiggins - All Star
Jabari - All Star/Borderline Superstar
Embiid - A few great years then injuries will catch up similar career path to Bynum
Gordon - DPOY canidate borderline All Star
Exum - Good Starter
Smart - All Star
Randle - Average Starter
Stauskas - Bust
Vonleh - All Star
Payton - Great Starter
McDermott - 6th Man
Saric - Average Role Player
Lavine - Bust
Warren - Great Role Player
Adreian Payne - Good Starter
Jusuf Nurkic - Bust
James Young - Bust
Tyler Ennis - Bust
Gary Harris - Starter
Bruno Caboclo - Bust
Mitch McGary - Great Role Player/Good Starter (Taj Gibson like role)
Jordan Adams - Role Player
Rodney Hood - Bust
Shabazz Napier - Role Player
Clint Capela - Bust
P.J. Hairston - Bust
Bogan Bogdanovic - Role Player
C.J. Wilcox - Bust
Josh Huestis - Role Player
Kyle Anderson - 6th man

eltercero · Post #12 » by **eltercero** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 11:46 pm

rumdiary wrote:Wiggins - Superstar (contrary to popular belief Wiggins *can* take over a game)
Jabari - All Star (has pretty much reached his potential)
Embiid - Superstar (if he can stay healthy)
Gordon - Above-Average
Exum - All Star
Smart - Above-Average
Randle - Above-Average
Stauskas - Above-Average
Vonleh - All Star (just like at Utah, Charlotte will trade Big Al just to make space)
Payton - Bust
McDermott - Average
Saric - Average
Lavine - Average
Warren - Above-Average (best player on a sub-par team (like NCState), or average player on a great team)

Adreian Payne - Above-Average
Jusuf Nurkic - Bust
James Young - Below Average
Tyler Ennis - Average
Gary Harris - Below Average
Bruno Caboclo - I have no idea
Mitch McGary - Bust
Jordan Adams - Average
Rodney Hood - Average
Shabazz Napier - Average
Clint Capela - Bust
P.J. Hairston - Below Average
Bogan Bogdanovic - Below Average
C.J. Wilcox - Below Average
Josh Huestis - Below Average
Kyle Anderson - Average

As a Cavs fan I really want to see Wiggins become a superstar but I just don't see it. In fact, it was hard for me to even bet on him becoming a multiple time All Star. To me, he really compares to Harrison Barnes. Solid shooting stroke, great athleticism, great defense, same size/length, but no ability to dribble and no go-to moves. He also reminds me a bit of Mclemore, albeit taller. Please convince me otherwise

noobcake · Post #13 » by **noobcake** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 3:05 am

eltercero wrote:
rumdiary wrote:Wiggins - Superstar (contrary to popular belief Wiggins *can* take over a game)
Jabari - All Star (has pretty much reached his potential)
Embiid - Superstar (if he can stay healthy)
Gordon - Above-Average
Exum - All Star
Smart - Above-Average
Randle - Above-Average
Stauskas - Above-Average
Vonleh - All Star (just like at Utah, Charlotte will trade Big Al just to make space)
Payton - Bust
McDermott - Average
Saric - Average
Lavine - Average
Warren - Above-Average (best player on a sub-par team (like NCState), or average player on a great team)

Adreian Payne - Above-Average
Jusuf Nurkic - Bust
James Young - Below Average
Tyler Ennis - Average
Gary Harris - Below Average
Bruno Caboclo - I have no idea
Mitch McGary - Bust
Jordan Adams - Average
Rodney Hood - Average
Shabazz Napier - Average
Clint Capela - Bust
P.J. Hairston - Below Average
Bogan Bogdanovic - Below Average
C.J. Wilcox - Below Average
Josh Huestis - Below Average
Kyle Anderson - Average

As a Cavs fan I really want to see Wiggins become a superstar but I just don't see it. In fact, it was hard for me to even bet on him becoming a multiple time All Star. To me, he really compares to Harrison Barnes. Solid shooting stroke, great athleticism, great defense, same size/length, but no ability to dribble and no go-to moves. He also reminds me a bit of Mclemore, albeit taller. Please convince me otherwise

But he is 20% more athletic so naturally he will develop more.

Wiggins supporters are sometimes delusional... :banghead:

snoopdogg88 · Post #14 » by **snoopdogg88** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 3:17 am

damn a lot of Saric hate in here

I think this will go down as the deepest top 10 in history.
I love everyone except Vonleh who is a classic bust in every way

majortom71 · Post #15 » by **majortom71** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 3:38 am

I truly believe that aside from a players skills, athleticism and motivation being in the right environment will help their careers. So I added that to the equation.

Wiggins - Good starter (unless Kyrie gives him the keys he won't go to the next level)
Jabari - All Star (He will be the team captain within a year)
Embiid - Superstar (If he is healthy and 76ers plan comes together future HOF)
Gordon - Good starter (If he develops a good mid-range I would say All Star)
Exum - ??? (I like him just not on the Jazz, is he going to play SG or PG? I do hope he does well)
Smart - All Star (I love this guy, definitely an All-star for me)
Randle - Good Starter (He will be a good low post guy. borderline all-star)
Stauskas - Average (Just a scorer nothing more)
Vonleh - All Star (He may turn into an All-star if he develops more, which I think he will)
Payton - Good Starter (something about him intrigues me, he seems very gifted and I can see him being very good and could surprise people)
McDermott - Average (I am not so sure how Thibs will use him, if he lacks defense he may ride the pine)
Saric - ??? I am not even sure if he comes to NBA.
Lavine - Bust (I just get a feeling that he won't develop well. Hope he proves me wrong)
Warren - Above Average

Teams like Milwaukee, Orlando, Boston and LA are going to be good for the development of this years class.

skiz2 · Post #16 » by **skiz2** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 3:47 am

I will bite, I just love this stuff too much. I will put trajectory careers (ot necessarily comparisons, but the roles I see them playing) beside them as well:

Wiggins - Superstar
Jabari - Superstar
Embiid - Superstar
Gordon - Average
Exum - All Star
Smart - All Star
Randle - Above-Average
Stauskas - Average
Vonleh - All Star
Payton - Below Average
McDermott - Bust
Saric - Average
Lavine - All Star
Warren - Below Average

Adreian Payne - below average
Jusuf Nurkic - Bust
James Young - Below Average
Tyler Ennis - Average
Gary Harris - Below Average
Bruno Caboclo - Bust
Mitch McGary - Bust
Jordan Adams - Bust
Rodney Hood - Above Average
Shabazz Napier -Above Average
Clint Capela - Average
P.J. Hairston - Above Average
Bogan Bogdanovic - Below Average
C.J. Wilcox - Below Average
Josh Huestis - Bust
Kyle Anderson - Average

76ciology · Post #17 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 6:43 am

Wiggins - Paul George type caliber all-star.
Jabari - All-star caliber player. I believe he can be a top 5-7 SF next season.
Embiid - Franchise player when healthy. Great impact on offense and defense.
Gordon - All-star but will take a few years of developing
Exum - Borderline all-star. Reminds me of Jrue. Will start raw with promise. Will later be productive.
Smart - Borderline all-star. Will always be productive but will not be considered a star because of the competition at PG. 2012-2013 fluke all-star season of Jrue.
Randle - Borderline all-star. Zach Randolph grizzlies days.
Stauskas - Average
Vonleh - Starter/Role player
Payton - Productive starter
McDermott - similar career with Jordan Crawford or Marcus Thornton; situational scorer off the bench.
Saric - Role player similar to Diaw with the Spurs
Lavine - Similar career with Lou Will; great 6th man off the bench
Warren - similar career with Jordan Crawford or Marcus Thornton; situational scorer off the bench.

rumdiary · Post #18 » by **rumdiary** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 9:31 pm

eltercero wrote:As a Cavs fan I really want to see Wiggins become a superstar but I just don't see it. In fact, it was hard for me to even bet on him becoming a multiple time All Star. To me, he really compares to Harrison Barnes. Solid shooting stroke, great athleticism, great defense, same size/length, but no ability to dribble and no go-to moves. He also reminds me a bit of Mclemore, albeit taller. Please convince me otherwise

Just remember that late-season game when Wiggins took control and scored 41. He's capable of that and he's only going to become more determined as time goes on.

Post #19 » by **Marcus** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 11:30 pm

rumdiary wrote:
eltercero wrote:As a Cavs fan I really want to see Wiggins become a superstar but I just don't see it. In fact, it was hard for me to even bet on him becoming a multiple time All Star. To me, he really compares to Harrison Barnes. Solid shooting stroke, great athleticism, great defense, same size/length, but no ability to dribble and no go-to moves. He also reminds me a bit of Mclemore, albeit taller. Please convince me otherwise

Just remember that late-season game when Wiggins took control and scored 41. He's capable of that and he's only going to become more determined as time goes on.

Watching that game and not the stat line makes that 41 less impressive. Lot of bailout calls in that one and still poor finishing at the cup. I do like that he was finally more aggressive and assertive in that game though.

rockmanslim · Post #20 » by **rockmanslim** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:27 am

rumdiary wrote:
eltercero wrote:As a Cavs fan I really want to see Wiggins become a superstar but I just don't see it. In fact, it was hard for me to even bet on him becoming a multiple time All Star. To me, he really compares to Harrison Barnes. Solid shooting stroke, great athleticism, great defense, same size/length, but no ability to dribble and no go-to moves. He also reminds me a bit of Mclemore, albeit taller. Please convince me otherwise

Just remember that late-season game when Wiggins took control and scored 41. He's capable of that and he's only going to become more determined as time goes on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AJFWX-yLgY