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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#21 » by freestyler34 » Sun Aug 3, 2014 8:02 pm

Turkey won the Tournament with a 85 - 68 win over Serbia


The All Tournament team:

Mussini
Lazarevic
Bender
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Egemen Guven

MVP is Egemen Guven from Turkey
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#22 » by Rosque » Sun Aug 3, 2014 8:15 pm

Bender is next great wing player. Book it.
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#23 » by pohani komarac » Sun Aug 3, 2014 9:50 pm

He is one of best prospects in world. But he is not wing. He is pure PF. He has clear position.
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Post#24 » by freestyler34 » Sun Aug 3, 2014 10:54 pm

pohani komarac wrote:He is one of best prospects in world. But he is not wing. He is pure PF. He has clear position.


Furkan Korkmaz from Turkey is extremely talented as well has the whole package length,shooting,Athleticism,Defence watch out for the kid, Bender is also very skilled player has a bright future
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Post#25 » by berkkobe7 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 4:12 pm

freestyler34 wrote:
pohani komarac wrote:He is one of best prospects in world. But he is not wing. He is pure PF. He has clear position.


Furkan Korkmaz from Turkey is extremely talented as well has the whole package length,shooting,Athleticism,Defence watch out for the kid, Bender is also very skilled player has a bright future

He is the best 97 born player in europe and better than sviatoslav myhkhailuk.

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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#26 » by JustMagic » Wed Aug 6, 2014 10:18 pm

Bender is also 97 (and actually still only 16 y/o) and is better than both of them.
Mikhailiuk played in Div B So it's harder to compare him, but Korkmaz didn't dominate as much as bender did in 3-4 games. He was good and showed potential but wasn't dominating.
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#27 » by freestyler34 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 11:08 pm

JustMagic wrote:Bender is also 97 (and actually still only 16 y/o) and is better than both of them.
Mikhailiuk played in Div B So it's harder to compare him, but Korkmaz didn't dominate as much as bender did in 3-4 games. He was good and showed potential but wasn't dominating.


Bender is a PF and Korkmaz is SG, its easy to dominate as a big in youth tournaments also Turkish team was stacked with talent Korkmaz didnt need to dominate or jack up shots
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#28 » by JustMagic » Thu Aug 7, 2014 8:46 am

First of all the Croatian team was probably the most stacked team in the past years, so obviously more stacked than Turkey.
They lost only because Turkey had an amazing day for 3pt (10 of 18) while Croatia had a bad day 35.9% from the field. All in front of 7,000 loud Turkish fans, which are a hude advantage when the players are 17-18 y/o.

Also, Bender played mainly as a PF but he didn't dominate because of superior size or strengh like many real "bigs" do. He did it while shooting 3's, running for fast-breaks, penetrating the defense.
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#29 » by freestyler34 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 11:08 am

JustMagic wrote:First of all the Croatian team was probably the most stacked team in the past years, so obviously more stacked than Turkey.
They lost only because Turkey had an amazing day for 3pt (10 of 18) while Croatia had a bad day 35.9% from the field. All in front of 7,000 loud Turkish fans, which are a hude advantage when the players are 17-18 y/o.

Also, Bender played mainly as a PF but he didn't dominate because of superior size or strengh like many real "bigs" do. He did it while shooting 3's, running for fast-breaks, penetrating the defense.


Bender played 29 MPG, with 48/104 %46 shooting, 12/36 %32 3pts as a Big
Korkmaz 20 MPG, 36/65 %55 FG, 16/23 %69 3pts, as a Guard

As you can see Bender tried a little harder with his shooting, i know he had lots of rebounds and assists but he also played more minutes, dont get me wrong i never said Bender is not skilled enough if you look at my first post i said he has a bright future but IMO Korkmaz is a unique player, if you watched the final game u must have noticed, did u see his steal and dunk ? or how hes hitting 3's without hesitation, like i said before with his lenght,athleticism and shooting IMO hes a unique player
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Post#30 » by pohani komarac » Thu Aug 7, 2014 8:05 pm

Don't like to argue with anyone, but in my opinion Bender and Mikhyliuk potetial is 2 levels above Korkomaz. Bender and Mikhyliuk are world's elite prospects, potential all star players. Korkomaz is level of Rudy-Giricek
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#31 » by freestyler34 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 9:04 pm

pohani komarac wrote:Don't like to argue with anyone, but in my opinion Bender and Mikhyliuk potetial is 2 levels above Korkomaz. Bender and Mikhyliuk are world's elite prospects, potential all star players. Korkomaz is level of Rudy-Giricek


Its Korkmaz btw not "Korkomaz" , well since you guys claimed Croatia was stacked than Turkey and Bender is at least 2 level above Korkmaz, they should have won easily right ? also lol at Bender being an All-Star level prospect and Korkmaz is Giricek :lol:
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#32 » by JustMagic » Fri Aug 8, 2014 9:46 pm

freestyler34 wrote:
pohani komarac wrote:Don't like to argue with anyone, but in my opinion Bender and Mikhyliuk potetial is 2 levels above Korkomaz. Bender and Mikhyliuk are world's elite prospects, potential all star players. Korkomaz is level of Rudy-Giricek


Its Korkmaz btw not "Korkomaz" , well since you guys claimed Croatia was stacked than Turkey and Bender is at least 2 level above Korkmaz, they should have won easily right ? also lol at Bender being an All-Star level prospect and Korkmaz is Giricek :lol:


I thought I've explained that before, but maybe I wasn't clear enough.
Croatia was more "stacked" not because I think Bender or Mazalin are better than Korkmaz and Guven, but because Croatia had one of the top 96 prospects (Arapovic), 3 top 10 prospects of 97 born players (Mazalin, Bender and Zizic), another very good forward with great size and super atheltism (Slavica) and some good shooters. And all in one team!

So why they lost? Well... first of all all can happen in one game knock-out. Second, he game was in Turkey with 7,000 Turkish loud fans. That amount and quality of crowd effects pros, so how do you think it effects 17-18 year old players who used playing in front of 50-100 people tops before that game??

I'm not saying Turkey didn't deserve to win the championship. All in all they were the best TEAM.
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#33 » by peZt » Sat Aug 9, 2014 6:02 pm

JustMagic wrote:
freestyler34 wrote:
pohani komarac wrote:Don't like to argue with anyone, but in my opinion Bender and Mikhyliuk potetial is 2 levels above Korkomaz. Bender and Mikhyliuk are world's elite prospects, potential all star players. Korkomaz is level of Rudy-Giricek


Its Korkmaz btw not "Korkomaz" , well since you guys claimed Croatia was stacked than Turkey and Bender is at least 2 level above Korkmaz, they should have won easily right ? also lol at Bender being an All-Star level prospect and Korkmaz is Giricek :lol:


I thought I've explained that before, but maybe I wasn't clear enough.
Croatia was more "stacked" not because I think Bender or Mazalin are better than Korkmaz and Guven, but because Croatia had one of the top 96 prospects (Arapovic), 3 top 10 prospects of 97 born players (Mazalin, Bender and Zizic), another very good forward with great size and super atheltism (Slavica) and some good shooters. And all in one team!

So why they lost? Well... first of all all can happen in one game knock-out. Second, he game was in Turkey with 7,000 Turkish loud fans. That amount and quality of crowd effects pros, so how do you think it effects 17-18 year old players who used playing in front of 50-100 people tops before that game??

I'm not saying Turkey didn't deserve to win the championship. All in all they were the best TEAM.



Going by that logic we had some of the best players in 96 generation (Egemen Guven, Okben Ulubay, Tolga Gecim and Berk Ugurlu) and one of the best in the 97 generation with Furkan Korkmaz.

Yes we played better as a team and had home advantage, but we were also just as talented as the croatians. Don't forget this exact turkish team also won the U16 championship 2 years ago.

But I agree that Dragan Bender was above anyone else in this tournament from a pure potential standpoint. Maybe the european prospect with the most star potential in the last decade or so.
But I don't agree that mikhayluk is 2 levels above Korkmaz. He is maybe a bit better now but the way Korkmaz has developed the last 2-3 years I could see him overtake mykhailuk in a few years.
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#34 » by karl25 » Sat Aug 9, 2014 8:37 pm

peZt wrote:
Yes we played better as a team and had home advantage, but we were also just as talented as the croatians. Don't forget this exact turkish team also won the U16 championship 2 years ago.

They also won the U18 last year in Latvia
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Okben Ulubay, Berk Ugurlu, Egemen Guven, Ogulcan Baykan won their third gold medals
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#35 » by JustMagic » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:06 am

peZt wrote:
Going by that logic we had some of the best players in 96 generation (Egemen Guven, Okben Ulubay, Tolga Gecim and Berk Ugurlu) and one of the best in the 97 generation with Furkan Korkmaz.

Maybe, but i'm not Croatian and still I knew about 5 of their players because many site talked about them and ranked them. From the Turkish team I only knew about Korkmaz and Ulubai (and thats also mainly because of the age-faking story). So maybe guys like Guven, Gecim and Ugurlu were underrated, but they were'nt ranked as high as the Croatian prospects.
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Re: U18 European Championship 

Post#36 » by Apollo64 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:17 pm

Medals mean literally nothing at this stage, it's all about players individually and what possible future do they have.

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