Gary Harris or Rodney Hood?

vannzee · Post #1 » by **vannzee** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:29 pm

Gary Harris or Rodney Hood?

Both fell in the draft a decent amount. Harris out of the top ten and Hood out of the top 20. Both are ++ scorers with Hood having the better outside shot. Harris is the better defender with Hood lacking defensively. One is a 2 and the other a 3. Both had good, if not great summer league campaigns. Harris has a more extensive injury history.

Who plays more this year?
Whose better now and who will be better in 3-5 years?

LloydFree · Post #2 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:53 pm

I'm not a fan of either player, but if I had to bet, I'd say Gary Harris has the bigger ceiling. Rodney Hood's best bet for a long career is to carve out a niche as a 3pt specialist on some team. He's doesn't have elite length to be a good starter at SF. He isn't quite athletic enough to be a good starting SG. Garry Harris, if he can prove the ability to handle some PG duties, he could prove to be a good 3rd guard in the league. He makes me think he could be Delonte West, without the crazy.

LloydFree · Post #3 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:53 pm

I'm not a fan of either player, but if I had to bet, I'd say Gary Harris has the bigger ceiling. Rodney Hood's best bet for a long career is to carve out a niche as a 3pt specialist on some team. He's doesn't have elite length to be a good starter at SF. He isn't quite athletic enough to be a good starting SG. Garry Harris, if he can prove the ability to handle some PG duties, he could prove to be a good 3rd guard in the league. He makes me think he could be Delonte West, without the crazy.

HornetJail · Post #4 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:24 am

I like Hood as an all-around scoring threat. Bummed he didn't fall one more spot.

Tave · Post #5 » by **Tave** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:42 am

Hood looks like the runaway pick to me: better measurables, better offense, better defensive potential.

MinneOOPalis · Post #6 » by **MinneOOPalis** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:49 pm

I feel like the Spurs would take Rodney Hood. So I would go with that.

mattg · Post #7 » by **mattg** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:11 am

This is hood. He's the next khris Middleton, a shooting wing who can plug in anywhere and fit well. Harris is miniature and hasn't shown any PG skills, he's also been inconsistent with his jumper. He's sorta like Avery Bradley but not as good defensively.

PoundTown · Post #8 » by **PoundTown** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:20 am

I think both are guys that can be in the rotation on very good teams. I really like Hood as a 6th or 7th guy type. The guy has a nice floor game and can really play offence, but don't think he will give you much anywhere else on the floor.

Harris is your 3 and D guy that has intangibles, mainly toughness, heart and overall basketball IQ. Not a breakdown guy at all, but will probably mature into a guy that can attack closeouts and get to the hoop a little within the flow of the offense and be useful in transition as well. Coaches will really like him for his 2 way game I think.

EMG518 · Post #9 » by **EMG518** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:39 am

mattg wrote:This is hood. He's the next khris Middleton, a shooting wing who can plug in anywhere and fit well. Harris is miniature and hasn't shown any PG skills, he's also been inconsistent with his jumper. He's sorta like Avery Bradley but not as good defensively.

Does his,size matter if he can defend his position better than Hood. Im taking Harris pretty easily, he just needs to become a more consistant shooter. Only one with a chance to start of the 2 is him.

vannzee · Post #10 » by **vannzee** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:27 am

The injurys scared me with Harris, but from all accounts he is a much better defensive player then Hood, who as I have heard is a liability on D.

mattg · Post #11 » by **mattg** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:21 pm

EMG518 wrote:
mattg wrote:This is hood. He's the next khris Middleton, a shooting wing who can plug in anywhere and fit well. Harris is miniature and hasn't shown any PG skills, he's also been inconsistent with his jumper. He's sorta like Avery Bradley but not as good defensively.

Does his,size matter if he can defend his position better than Hood. Im taking Harris pretty easily, he just needs to become a more consistant shooter. Only one with a chance to start of the 2 is him.

Size is gonna ensure that hood can get his shot off with ease, which is what will get him early minutes. Right now Harris is a small guard who doesn't have playmaking ability or the ability to consistently knock down jumpers. Players like that simply don't make a large impact.

NL41 · Post #12 » by **NL41** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:56 pm

It's worth noting that Harris only weighs 5 pounds less than Hood. Harris is short but well built for a shooting guard, while Hood is scrawny for a SF and below average athletically for a shooting guard.

MalonesElbows · Post #13 » by **MalonesElbows** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:40 pm

NL41 wrote:It's worth noting that Harris only weighs 5 pounds less than Hood. Harris is short but well built for a shooting guard, while Hood is scrawny for a SF and below average athletically for a shooting guard.

Lets be real here. Harris is a dwarf and wishes he had this vertical.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKE2bNVZjEg[/youtube]

stitches · Post #14 » by **stitches** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:58 am

MalonesElbows wrote:
NL41 wrote:It's worth noting that Harris only weighs 5 pounds less than Hood. Harris is short but well built for a shooting guard, while Hood is scrawny for a SF and below average athletically for a shooting guard.

Lets be real here. Harris is a dwarf and wishes he had this vertical.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKE2bNVZjEg[/youtube]

Indeed, that's one thing that's very underrated about Hood. His athleticism seem above average. The danger of drawing conclusions out of a single day's workout(say the combine), is that it captures a single day's performance and you never know if that is his actual level of performance you can expect day in day out. Even if we take that measurement, his max vertical reach is 11'7'' which is 4th for the entire class of 2014's SGs, only behind Markel Brown, Zach Lavine and James Young. His agility test is about average for a SG, and only his sprint measurement seems to be somewhat slow. When you watch tapes from Hood he has no problem finishing above the rim, he actually has pretty good hops. Maybe not elite, but definitely not "below average".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Qxy7CzUx8

How many SGs have the second jump he shows to finish the dunk at 1:00? What about the one handed alley-oop at 2:30? His athleticism is alright.

Also, lets not forget that the best of his attributes is actually his shot. It's a thing of beauty, he releases it really high and relatively quick which makes it hard to contest. He seems to be a bit streaky, but I believe he has the potential to become an elite shooter in the league if he polishes his shot and gives it a bit more consistency.

Orlwillbeback · Post #15 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:37 am

harris because he has better tools and plays both ways. He's a bit undersized and is more of a pure 2 than a combo guard but he should be able to play a long time in the league with his defensive chops and athleticism.

Hood is a limited athlete and an awful defender and doesnt play as hard. He will be a defensive liability wherever he goes. His upside is like anthony morrow whereas harris can be a nice utility guard.

Orlwillbeback · Post #16 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:39 am

stitches wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:
NL41 wrote:It's worth noting that Harris only weighs 5 pounds less than Hood. Harris is short but well built for a shooting guard, while Hood is scrawny for a SF and below average athletically for a shooting guard.

Lets be real here. Harris is a dwarf and wishes he had this vertical.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKE2bNVZjEg[/youtube]

Indeed, that's one thing that's very underrated about Hood. His athleticism seem above average. The danger of drawing conclusions out of a single day's workout(say the combine), is that it captures a single day's performance and you never know if that is his actual level of performance you can expect day in day out. Even if we take that measurement, his max vertical reach is 11'7'' which is 4th for the entire class of 2014's SGs, only behind Markel Brown, Zach Lavine and James Young. His agility test is about average for a SG, and only his sprint measurement seems to be somewhat slow. When you watch tapes from Hood he has no problem finishing above the rim, he actually has pretty good hops. Maybe not elite, but definitely not "below average".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Qxy7CzUx8

How many SGs have the second jump he shows to finish the dunk at 1:00? What about the one handed alley-oop at 2:30? His athleticism is alright.

Also, lets not forget that the best of his attributes is actually his shot. It's a thing of beauty, he releases it really high and relatively quick which makes it hard to contest. He seems to be a bit streaky, but I believe he has the potential to become an elite shooter in the league if he polishes his shot and gives it a bit more consistency.

Hood's problem defensively is moreso laterally than vertically, basically the opposite of exum.

Main problem with hood is he doesnt play hard enough to maximize his potential imo.

stitches · Post #17 » by **stitches** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:54 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:Hood's problem defensively is moreso laterally than vertically, basically the opposite of exum.

Main problem with hood is he doesnt play hard enough to maximize his potential imo.

I'd agree with you on this one. The fact that his agility tests come at about average means he probably has the attributes to be at least average defender. It's interesting that in one of his very first interviews after the draft he said he will try to become one of the best defenders on the team and Quin Snyder who was there was quick to to tell him "Remember what you just said. I'd hold you to it." So I really hope he does and his effort level increases. If not, he simply won't get many minutes.

TrueStoryGSW · Post #18 » by **TrueStoryGSW** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:32 pm

So basically poor mans Joddie Meeks or poor mans Kent bazemore?

I'll go with Meeks (Harris).

californiadude · Post #19 » by **californiadude** » Tue Oct 7, 2014 2:04 am

Hood is a lot safer. Guys who are 6'9", are decent athletes, can handle well enough to attack close outs and shoot the lights out dont exactly grow on trees. Kinda reminds me of rashard louis.

patrol345 · Post #20 » by **patrol345** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:43 pm

Hood has the better offensive game, Harris obviously has the better defensive game. From what I have seen of Harris you can put him in at any point in the game he will knock down open threes and can guard the better point gaurds of the league at an elite level, tall Shooting guards will shoot over him but with the lack of really good shooting guards in the league you can put him on the best point guards and he will make them earn it. B Shaw has already called him the best defensive player on the team. He probably wont get much playing time this year but his defense alone will keep him in the league awhile.