Potential sleepers

[doordoor123]

To me, Pascal Siakam will be a huge steal and it doesn't make any sense to see him in second round in most mocks. I mean, DX has him at 54, WTF is this?
While he is 22 years old, he started playing basketball like 5 years ago, so he is not your classical old, limited upside prospect.
Almost 6'10, very long wingspan, a decent 8'11.5" standing reach, high motor, provides some rim protection, has proven he can shot it, good athlete. Plenty to like.

What I don't like about Siakam is his IQ and feel for the game. Yeah, he could do a lot and has potential to play two positions, but I'm also not convinced he can defend a lot of fours/wings.

[DrCoach]

Isaiah Whitehead is somewhat underrated to me. Yea he is showing all the signs of a low IQ chucker, but the talent otherwise is pretty interesting. Excellent measurables for a combo guard (6'9 wingspan, 210 pounds) combined with good steal and elite block, hits 36% from 3 on one of the highest volumes in the class and looks to me like he might be #1 in the whole draft in "creating jumpshot attempts off the dribble" skill for whatever it's worth, looks like a talented passer if a hotshot. At what point do you accept the likelihood of him being a chucker type in the NBA for the probability compared to peers that at least that makes him a real player?

Reminds me of Dion Waiters

[Moooose]

To me, Pascal Siakam will be a huge steal and it doesn't make any sense to see him in second round in most mocks. I mean, DX has him at 54, WTF is this?
While he is 22 years old, he started playing basketball like 5 years ago, so he is not your classical old, limited upside prospect.
Almost 6'10, very long wingspan, a decent 8'11.5" standing reach, high motor, provides some rim protection, has proven he can shot it, good athlete. Plenty to like.

To me, Siakam plays a like Mbah a Moute. It could be his ceiling that hurts his stock. Could be serviceable, but not much "obvious" upside, IMO.

[isiah_thomas]

Briscoe going to back to kentucky

[Bum Adebayo]

To me, Pascal Siakam will be a huge steal and it doesn't make any sense to see him in second round in most mocks. I mean, DX has him at 54, WTF is this?
While he is 22 years old, he started playing basketball like 5 years ago, so he is not your classical old, limited upside prospect.
Almost 6'10, very long wingspan, a decent 8'11.5" standing reach, high motor, provides some rim protection, has proven he can shot it, good athlete. Plenty to like.

To me, Siakam plays a like Mbah a Moute. It could be his ceiling that hurts his stock. Could be serviceable, but not much "obvious" upside, IMO.

No comparison really, Mbah a Moute is 6'7 with 8'7.5" standing reach, siakam is 6'9.5" with 8'11.5" reach and really long 7'3 wingspan, also siakam was a 20PPG+ in this season, for a guy who is supposed to lack skills that is remarkable, Moute never cracked 10PPG in college. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see some upside that many don't see. He should be a late first rounder at least.

[PhilasFinest]

Malik Beasley
Malcolm Brogdon
Dorian Finney-Smith

[Moooose]

To me, Pascal Siakam will be a huge steal and it doesn't make any sense to see him in second round in most mocks. I mean, DX has him at 54, WTF is this?
While he is 22 years old, he started playing basketball like 5 years ago, so he is not your classical old, limited upside prospect.
Almost 6'10, very long wingspan, a decent 8'11.5" standing reach, high motor, provides some rim protection, has proven he can shot it, good athlete. Plenty to like.

To me, Siakam plays a like Mbah a Moute. It could be his ceiling that hurts his stock. Could be serviceable, but not much "obvious" upside, IMO.

No comparison really, Mbah a Moute is 6'7 with 8'7.5" standing reach, siakam is 6'9.5" with 8'11.5" reach and really long 7'3 wingspan, also siakam was a 20PPG+ in this season, for a guy who is supposed to lack skills that is remarkable, Moute never cracked 10PPG in college. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see some upside that many don't see. He should be a late first rounder at least.

Who do you compare Pascal Siakam to?

Mbah a Moute is 6-'8". In a UCLA team that had Darren Collison, Aaron Afflalo, Josh Shipp, then eventually Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook, he did not have to score much. There is upside, for Siakam. But not as high as the others'.

[FreakMaster]

I can't figure out why Wyoming's Josh Adams isn't on mock draft list. He's listed @ 6'2", can shoot, drive, dish and score above the rim. Adams is Electric!



Why is AJ Hammons ranked as a mid 2nd rd'r? What a 23 yr old, 4 yr college student doesn't have an upside, while 24 yr old Euro rookies do? smh

[jman3134]

Josh Adams doesn't understand how to play the game of basketball. That is why he isn't being considered despite his gaudy stats. Plus-minus in situations I've seen is off the charts in a negative way.

[FecesOfDeath]

The two guards from Wichita State -- Fred VanVleet and Ron Baker (rhymes with Thon Maker). It remains to be seen if they have the base level of athleticism to make it in the NBA, but they definitely have the mental toughness and skills to play at the next level.

[doordoor123]

Just want to mention players on the rise during work outs:

- Marquese Chriss could end up being a top 5 pick (I said he should have been a while back when I saw him live), but apparently he's shooting and defending really well in workouts.
- Damian Jones can apparently shoot really well and a lot of scouts think he can be better in the NBA (also something I assumed, but I didn't think he'd have a jump shot) and could be late lotto to 20s.
- Thon Maker has cemented himself in the first round because he apparently had a really impressive workout.
- Talk of Dejounte Murray as a lotto pick
- Patrick McCaw playing much better as a point guard in work outs

[GimmeDat]

Just want to mention players on the rise during work outs:

- Marquese Chriss could end up being a top 5 pick (I said he should have been a while back when I saw him live), but apparently he's shooting and defending really well in workouts.
- Damian Jones can apparently shoot really well and a lot of scouts think he can be better in the NBA (also something I assumed, but I didn't think he'd have a jump shot) and could be late lotto to 20s.
- Thon Maker has cemented himself in the first round because he apparently had a really impressive workout.
- Talk of Dejounte Murray as a lotto pick
- Patrick McCaw playing much better as a point guard in work outs

I think Chriss going to Minny could be a realistic outcome at this point. Mike Schmitz (DX) wrote on twitter today he thinks he could go Top 5 as well.

I saw Jones has shot up to #14 on DX's mock as well. That's a considerable move, I think he was at 20 or so before that.

McCaw should go high if he has PG skills, that's a revelation to me. Do you have a source for that one?

[doordoor123]

Just want to mention players on the rise during work outs:

- Marquese Chriss could end up being a top 5 pick (I said he should have been a while back when I saw him live), but apparently he's shooting and defending really well in workouts.
- Damian Jones can apparently shoot really well and a lot of scouts think he can be better in the NBA (also something I assumed, but I didn't think he'd have a jump shot) and could be late lotto to 20s.
- Thon Maker has cemented himself in the first round because he apparently had a really impressive workout.
- Talk of Dejounte Murray as a lotto pick
- Patrick McCaw playing much better as a point guard in work outs

I think Chriss going to Minny could be a realistic outcome at this point. Mike Schmitz (DX) wrote on twitter today he thinks he could go Top 5 as well.

I saw Jones has shot up to #14 on DX's mock as well. That's a considerable move, I think he was at 20 or so before that.

McCaw should go high if he has PG skills, that's a revelation to me. Do you have a source for that one?

I was thinking Minnesota for Chriss as well. Makes so much sense.

This was from Twitter I think. If not, it was from Chad Ford in an article.

[doordoor123]

Just want to mention players on the rise during work outs:

- Marquese Chriss could end up being a top 5 pick (I said he should have been a while back when I saw him live), but apparently he's shooting and defending really well in workouts.
- Damian Jones can apparently shoot really well and a lot of scouts think he can be better in the NBA (also something I assumed, but I didn't think he'd have a jump shot) and could be late lotto to 20s.
- Thon Maker has cemented himself in the first round because he apparently had a really impressive workout.
- Talk of Dejounte Murray as a lotto pick
- Patrick McCaw playing much better as a point guard in work outs

I think Chriss going to Minny could be a realistic outcome at this point. Mike Schmitz (DX) wrote on twitter today he thinks he could go Top 5 as well.

I saw Jones has shot up to #14 on DX's mock as well. That's a considerable move, I think he was at 20 or so before that.

McCaw should go high if he has PG skills, that's a revelation to me. Do you have a source for that one?

I was thinking Minnesota for Chriss as well. Makes so much sense.

This was from Twitter I think. If not, it was from Chad Ford in an article.

Chad Ford says the Suns are interested in Chriss.

[janmagn]

I think Chriss going to Minny could be a realistic outcome at this point. Mike Schmitz (DX) wrote on twitter today he thinks he could go Top 5 as well.

I saw Jones has shot up to #14 on DX's mock as well. That's a considerable move, I think he was at 20 or so before that.

McCaw should go high if he has PG skills, that's a revelation to me. Do you have a source for that one?

I was thinking Minnesota for Chriss as well. Makes so much sense.

This was from Twitter I think. If not, it was from Chad Ford in an article.

Chad Ford says the Suns are interested in Chriss.

Imo the suns would more likely trade up from 13 than take him at 4

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[doordoor123]

I was thinking Minnesota for Chriss as well. Makes so much sense.

This was from Twitter I think. If not, it was from Chad Ford in an article.

Chad Ford says the Suns are interested in Chriss.

Imo the suns would more likely trade up from 13 than take him at 4

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Disagree. If he's not gone at 4 there's a chance he's taken at 5.

[FreakMaster]

Josh Adams doesn't understand how to play the game of basketball. That is why he isn't being considered despite his gaudy stats. Plus-minus in situations I've seen is off the charts in a negative way.

Are you sure about this? According to Hollinger Josh Adams has a 26.78 PER which is good for 46th in college.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/hollinger/statistics

[realEAST]

Just want to mention players on the rise during work outs:

- Marquese Chriss could end up being a top 5 pick (I said he should have been a while back when I saw him live), but apparently he's shooting and defending really well in workouts.
- Damian Jones can apparently shoot really well and a lot of scouts think he can be better in the NBA (also something I assumed, but I didn't think he'd have a jump shot) and could be late lotto to 20s.
- Thon Maker has cemented himself in the first round because he apparently had a really impressive workout.
- Talk of Dejounte Murray as a lotto pick
- Patrick McCaw playing much better as a point guard in work outs

I think Chriss going to Minny could be a realistic outcome at this point. Mike Schmitz (DX) wrote on twitter today he thinks he could go Top 5 as well.

I saw Jones has shot up to #14 on DX's mock as well. That's a considerable move, I think he was at 20 or so before that.

McCaw should go high if he has PG skills, that's a revelation to me. Do you have a source for that one?

Been watching some of his videos lately (not that I consider them that "objective") and am really starting to like him. If he improves his handles and off the dribble shooting, he could be very good player, quality starter.

[Curmudgeon]

Isaiah Whitehead is somewhat underrated to me. Yea he is showing all the signs of a low IQ chucker, but the talent otherwise is pretty interesting. Excellent measurables for a combo guard (6'9 wingspan, 210 pounds) combined with good steal and elite block, hits 36% from 3 on one of the highest volumes in the class and looks to me like he might be #1 in the whole draft in "creating jumpshot attempts off the dribble" skill for whatever it's worth, looks like a talented passer if a hotshot. At what point do you accept the likelihood of him being a chucker type in the NBA for the probability compared to peers that at least that makes him a real player?

Reminds me of Dion Waiters

Nah, he's more versatile than Waiters. Whitehead is extremely talented. He does it all: shoot the three, midrange game, great crossover, rebounds, passes, defends, understands the game. Tough kid with the alpha dog mentality. He wants the ball at the end of a close game. He's not afraid of the moment.

His problem is consistency. If you watch him against Butler or against Villanova in the Big East title game, he looks like a top 5 pick. If you watched him against Gonzaga, where he was 4 for 24 and 0 for 10 from beyond the arc, you think, maybe he should have stayed in school.

[DrCoach]

Isaiah Whitehead is somewhat underrated to me. Yea he is showing all the signs of a low IQ chucker, but the talent otherwise is pretty interesting. Excellent measurables for a combo guard (6'9 wingspan, 210 pounds) combined with good steal and elite block, hits 36% from 3 on one of the highest volumes in the class and looks to me like he might be #1 in the whole draft in "creating jumpshot attempts off the dribble" skill for whatever it's worth, looks like a talented passer if a hotshot. At what point do you accept the likelihood of him being a chucker type in the NBA for the probability compared to peers that at least that makes him a real player?

Reminds me of Dion Waiters

Nah, he's more versatile than Waiters. Whitehead is extremely talented. He does it all: shoot the three, midrange game, great crossover, rebounds, passes, defends, understands the game. Tough kid with the alpha dog mentality. He wants the ball at the end of a close game. He's not afraid of the moment.

His problem is consistency. If you watch him against Butler or against Villanova in the Big East title game, he looks like a top 5 pick. If you watched him against Gonzaga, where he was 4 for 24 and 0 for 10 from beyond the arc, you think, maybe he should have stayed in school.

I think you are underrating Dion Waiters, Waiters was the #4 pick, he had a PER of 26.5 as a Soph

Whitehead is currently listed as the 56th pick on DE and had a soph college PER of 20.8