De'Aaron Fox

[doordoor123]

I would take him top 4. I think he's super underrated by most.

[Ruzious]

Most have him ranked top 6 - that's overrating him, imo. Honestly, I don't get the love for him. He's a lot closer to Patrick Beverly than John Wall. Love his defense, but he's so sloppy penetrating against good teams - he's getting away with a lot of that in college because he's aggressive, but it's not going to work in the NBA. Wall had his sloppy moments, but he was electrifying - Fox isn't. I just don't see him as being an effective offensive player in the NBA.

[cksdayoff]

Most have him ranked top 6 - that's overrating him, imo. Honestly, I don't get the love for him. He's a lot closer to Patrick Beverly than John Wall. Love his defense, but he's so sloppy penetrating against good teams - he's getting away with a lot of that in college because he's aggressive, but it's not going to work in the NBA. Wall had his sloppy moments, but he was electrifying - Fox isn't. I just don't see him as being an effective offensive player in the NBA.

I don't think Fox has anywhere close to the handles that John Wall has either. Fox has loose handles that he can get by with in college because he's so fast.

[jonjames]

Most have him ranked top 6 - that's overrating him, imo. Honestly, I don't get the love for him. He's a lot closer to Patrick Beverly than John Wall. Love his defense, but he's so sloppy penetrating against good teams - he's getting away with a lot of that in college because he's aggressive, but it's not going to work in the NBA. Wall had his sloppy moments, but he was electrifying - Fox isn't. I just don't see him as being an effective offensive player in the NBA.

You are underrating him if you think he's a pat beverly type. Even with hindsight you really think pat beverly would go top 6 in deep draft such as this? His floor is dennis schroeder and at worse brandon jennings. Also Fox is playing better than Wall during his freshman season.

[Nazrmohamed]

Most have him ranked top 6 - that's overrating him, imo. Honestly, I don't get the love for him. He's a lot closer to Patrick Beverly than John Wall. Love his defense, but he's so sloppy penetrating against good teams - he's getting away with a lot of that in college because he's aggressive, but it's not going to work in the NBA. Wall had his sloppy moments, but he was electrifying - Fox isn't. I just don't see him as being an effective offensive player in the NBA.

I don't think Fox has anywhere close to the handles that John Wall has either. Fox has loose handles that he can get by with in college because he's so fast.

How's that any different from Wall though? And Im not doubting Walls handle but at the college level and even for the first couple seasons in the league that was what Wall got by on. Probably always had the handle but it was his speed that he lived on, still does most of the time. I audit think Wall is faster. Probably one of the fastest guards I've ever seen

[No-Man]

Wall is a much better athlete overall, it's not just the speed, he has unreal balance and body control at that speed, and strength, Fox is not quite there in that regard, he has been promising finishing in the paint, but he is gonna go against bigger and stronger guys that could literally wipe him off and he is really underdeveloped frame wise.

[CptCrunch]

There's always a point guard who can't shoot taken in the top 10.

Mudiay, Payton, Rubio, Dunn, Smart, Exum.

This is a good list. Non-shooting guards have had a piss poor track record.

[doordoor123]

Most have him ranked top 6 - that's overrating him, imo. Honestly, I don't get the love for him. He's a lot closer to Patrick Beverly than John Wall. Love his defense, but he's so sloppy penetrating against good teams - he's getting away with a lot of that in college because he's aggressive, but it's not going to work in the NBA. Wall had his sloppy moments, but he was electrifying - Fox isn't. I just don't see him as being an effective offensive player in the NBA.

He's 19... I think sometimes we forget how important Age is. He plays this way now, but even Russell Westbrook had to fix a lot before he became a superstar. All of Fox's issues are very much improvable.

[cedric76]

Very intriguing player

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[HotelVitale]

There's always a point guard who can't shoot taken in the top 10. Mudiay, Payton, Rubio, Dunn, Smart, Exum.

This is a good list. Non-shooting guards have had a piss poor track record.

That's only true if you're only looking for the busts. Some of the best value draft picks of the last 15 years have been ball-handling athletes with questionable shots, off the top of my head:
Westbrook
Rondo
Lowry
Bledsoe
Giannis
Wade
Iguodala
Monta Ellis

Add to that guys like Rose and Wall who were top picks and performed as well as expected and there's a clear counter-balance there. Like all draft picks, elite athletes with poor shooting are gambles--they might be able to develop a shot or might be able to compensate by being dominant in other regards. There's no single 'type' of player that's destined to succeed or fail, and other types (the 3D guy, the tweener, the post-up master, etc) fail or succeed as often.

[CptCrunch]

There's always a point guard who can't shoot taken in the top 10. Mudiay, Payton, Rubio, Dunn, Smart, Exum.

This is a good list. Non-shooting guards have had a piss poor track record.

That's only true if you're only looking for the busts. Some of the best value draft picks of the last 15 years have been ball-handling athletes with questionable shots, off the top of my head:
Westbrook
Rondo
Lowry
Bledsoe
Giannis
Wade
Iguodala
Monta Ellis

Add to that guys like Rose and Wall who were top picks and performed as well as expected and there's a clear counter-balance there. Like all draft picks, elite athletes with poor shooting are gambles--they might be able to develop a shot or might be able to compensate by being dominant in other regards. There's no single 'type' of player that's destined to succeed or fail, and other types (the 3D guy, the tweener, the post-up master, etc) fail or succeed as often.

Fox doesn't have a questionable shot. He has NO shot. He might be the WORST shooting guard out of all guards from both rounds this year.

[jonjames]

This is a good list. Non-shooting guards have had a piss poor track record.

That's only true if you're only looking for the busts. Some of the best value draft picks of the last 15 years have been ball-handling athletes with questionable shots, off the top of my head:
Westbrook
Rondo
Lowry
Bledsoe
Giannis
Wade
Iguodala
Monta Ellis

Add to that guys like Rose and Wall who were top picks and performed as well as expected and there's a clear counter-balance there. Like all draft picks, elite athletes with poor shooting are gambles--they might be able to develop a shot or might be able to compensate by being dominant in other regards. There's no single 'type' of player that's destined to succeed or fail, and other types (the 3D guy, the tweener, the post-up master, etc) fail or succeed as often.

Fox doesn't have a questionable shot. He has NO shot. He might be the WORST shooting guard out of all guards from both rounds this year.

Monta Ellis doesn't belong on that list. He can actually shoot compared to those guys.

He has a better shot than Rondo and Rubio.

[jrob23]

This is a good list. Non-shooting guards have had a piss poor track record.

That's only true if you're only looking for the busts. Some of the best value draft picks of the last 15 years have been ball-handling athletes with questionable shots, off the top of my head:
Westbrook
Rondo
Lowry
Bledsoe
Giannis
Wade
Iguodala
Monta Ellis

Add to that guys like Rose and Wall who were top picks and performed as well as expected and there's a clear counter-balance there. Like all draft picks, elite athletes with poor shooting are gambles--they might be able to develop a shot or might be able to compensate by being dominant in other regards. There's no single 'type' of player that's destined to succeed or fail, and other types (the 3D guy, the tweener, the post-up master, etc) fail or succeed as often.

Fox doesn't have a questionable shot. He has NO shot. He might be the WORST shooting guard out of all guards from both rounds this year.

He's actually not a bad shooter if you take out 3pt shots. He's .510% on 2 pt. Comparing that to Ball .557, Monk .516, DSJ .514, Fultz .502, Bacon .484, Mason .477.

He just needs more reps. I've probably watched more Kentucky games this season than others and he has often shot the ball great w/nice form and rotation with good results. He's not asked to shoot threes much. 2 a game. The other guys all shoot double that. In his last 3 games he's hit 4-7 so he's not completely devoid of shooting talent. Thankfully for him, his defense and upside more than makes up for it. Kid will be a very good starting PG in the NBA

[CptCrunch]

That's only true if you're only looking for the busts. Some of the best value draft picks of the last 15 years have been ball-handling athletes with questionable shots, off the top of my head:
Westbrook
Rondo
Lowry
Bledsoe
Giannis
Wade
Iguodala
Monta Ellis

Add to that guys like Rose and Wall who were top picks and performed as well as expected and there's a clear counter-balance there. Like all draft picks, elite athletes with poor shooting are gambles--they might be able to develop a shot or might be able to compensate by being dominant in other regards. There's no single 'type' of player that's destined to succeed or fail, and other types (the 3D guy, the tweener, the post-up master, etc) fail or succeed as often.

Fox doesn't have a questionable shot. He has NO shot. He might be the WORST shooting guard out of all guards from both rounds this year.

He's actually not a bad shooter if you take out 3pt shots. He's .510% on 2 pt. Comparing that to Ball .557, Monk .516, DSJ .514, Fultz .502, Bacon .484, Mason .477.

He just needs more reps. I've probably watched more Kentucky games this season than others and he has often shot the ball great w/nice form and rotation with good results. He's not asked to shoot threes much. 2 a game. The other guys all shoot double that. In his last 3 games he's hit 4-7 so he's not completely devoid of shooting talent. Thankfully for him, his defense and upside more than makes up for it. Kid will be a very good starting PG in the NBA

Na, Fox is a layup guard. His rim FG percentage is actually quite mediocre within the Kentucky system. I have absolutely 0 faith that he can contribute to an NBA offense.

http://hoop-math.com/Kentucky2017.php

[HotelVitale]

Fox doesn't have a questionable shot. He has NO shot. He might be the WORST shooting guard out of all guards from both rounds this year.

Monta Ellis doesn't belong on that list. He can actually shoot compared to those guys. He has a better shot than Rondo and Rubio.

Ellis was a miserable shooter when he came into the league, big reason (along with his size) why he lasted in the 2nd round. He developed a shot, and that's part of my point--a lot of players develop shots and pretty much all of them greatly improve their shooting.

And paulbball, you could've said the same thing about Rondo and he's had an excellent career (despite having an early decline into his current blah-ness). Point is that it's stupid to cut somebody off your prospect list because he can't do X or Y; any type of player can succeed in the NBA, you just have to be good enough at different things. I'm not commenting on Fox specifically here, just on the poor reasoning some folks are using to dismiss him. Gotta judge each player and athleticism/skillset package on its own.

[jonjames]

Fox doesn't have a questionable shot. He has NO shot. He might be the WORST shooting guard out of all guards from both rounds this year.

He's actually not a bad shooter if you take out 3pt shots. He's .510% on 2 pt. Comparing that to Ball .557, Monk .516, DSJ .514, Fultz .502, Bacon .484, Mason .477.

He just needs more reps. I've probably watched more Kentucky games this season than others and he has often shot the ball great w/nice form and rotation with good results. He's not asked to shoot threes much. 2 a game. The other guys all shoot double that. In his last 3 games he's hit 4-7 so he's not completely devoid of shooting talent. Thankfully for him, his defense and upside more than makes up for it. Kid will be a very good starting PG in the NBA

Na, Fox is a layup guard. His rim FG percentage is actually quite mediocre within the Kentucky system. I have absolutely 0 faith that he can contribute to an NBA offense.

http://hoop-math.com/Kentucky2017.php

Fox's supposed weakness coming into college was his shot and finishing ability. Aside from the 3pt shot his mid raange is not nearly as bad some are making it out to be. His abiltiy to finish with contact has been surprisingly very good. I don't see any outstanding floor generalship from Fox but he does get into the tooth of the defense with ease and make difficult close range shots. I have no doubt that this skill will allow him to thrive even more in the more open space pro game.

[jonjames]

Fox doesn't have a questionable shot. He has NO shot. He might be the WORST shooting guard out of all guards from both rounds this year.

Monta Ellis doesn't belong on that list. He can actually shoot compared to those guys. He has a better shot than Rondo and Rubio.

Ellis was a miserable shooter when he came into the league, big reason (along with his size) why he lasted in the 2nd round. He developed a shot, and that's part of my point--a lot of players develop shots and pretty much all of them greatly improve their shooting.

And paulbball, you could've said the same thing about Rondo and he's had an excellent career (despite having an early decline into his current blah-ness). Point is that it's stupid to cut somebody off your prospect list because he can't do X or Y; any type of player can succeed in the NBA, you just have to be good enough at different things. I'm not commenting on Fox specifically here, just on the poor reasoning some folks are using to dismiss him. Gotta judge each player and athleticism/skillset package on its own.

Monta Ellis went into the 2nd round because of uncertainty of his true position (pg or sg) and knee concerns during the hs all star ciruits that raised red flags for gms. Ellis was known for the better early part of his career for being one of the best mid range shooters and finishers in the league. The other guys on the list are left nearly wide open by defenses bc no respect for their outside shot.

[RationalGaze]

Shooting is a major factor nowadays because so many people can shoot. Anyone who takes fox will have to work with him on his mid range to the 3. If fox cashes in on his potential then he'll arguably be the best in his draft, because no one has his speed.
He'll give you speed, defense, and assists from the start of the season, but don't make a highlight of his jump shots until he makes one himself.

[HotelVitale]

Monta Ellis went into the 2nd round because of uncertainty of his true position (pg or sg) and knee concerns during the hs all star ciruits that raised red flags for gms. Ellis was known for the better early part of his career for being one of the best mid range shooters and finishers in the league. The other guys on the list are left nearly wide open by defenses bc no respect for their outside shot.

I remember him being touted as a transition scorer, lightning quick down the court and able to slice through defenses, but I wasn't paying enough attention to know about his rep as a shooter (other than that he struggled from distance). No need to fight you on that one pt, though, general point was just that you can be a weak shooter and succeed in the NBA.

[BillyKingGM]

What makes Fox a better prospect than Payton? I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole in the lottery.

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