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Re: [Keith Smith] Fox climbing. Jackson slipping. 

Post#121 » by EvanZ » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:00 pm

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rzzzzz wrote:i can see why the Lakers are interested in Fox, if they plan on holding onto Russell. the two sort of balance each other. Jackson would also be a terrific pick for them. and, actually, this year's top end of the draft seems to have a lot of good options for just about everybody with a pick.


Fox is a good prospect, but most likely the Lakers are picking Ball. Jackson is the perfect pick for the sixers. Jackson, Simmons, and Embiid would be an extremely competitive group with 3 elite young athletes. Jackson can create his own highlights or be the finisher of Simmons' lobs. We can't trade down. Prospects like Jackson aren't in every draft.


Jackson isn't much different than Justise Winslow or MKG. Every draft there are guys like him that can't shoot and are vastly overrated.
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Re: [Keith Smith] Fox climbing. Jackson slipping. 

Post#122 » by Chris76 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:19 pm

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rzzzzz wrote:i can see why the Lakers are interested in Fox, if they plan on holding onto Russell. the two sort of balance each other. Jackson would also be a terrific pick for them. and, actually, this year's top end of the draft seems to have a lot of good options for just about everybody with a pick.


Fox is a good prospect, but most likely the Lakers are picking Ball. Jackson is the perfect pick for the sixers. Jackson, Simmons, and Embiid would be an extremely competitive group with 3 elite young athletes. Jackson can create his own highlights or be the finisher of Simmons' lobs. We can't trade down. Prospects like Jackson aren't in every draft.


Jackson isn't much different than Justise Winslow or MKG. Every draft there are guys like him that can't shoot and are vastly overrated.


Does Winslow dunk like Dr J J. Jackson has more bounce and a better 1st step than them. We would be drafting him to be a 2nd or 3rd option on offense, and more for his Iggy like defense. His floor is very high and if his shot comes around, he should be very valuable.
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Re: [Keith Smith] Fox climbing. Jackson slipping. 

Post#123 » by Nazrmohamed » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:23 am

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rzzzzz wrote:i can see why the Lakers are interested in Fox, if they plan on holding onto Russell. the two sort of balance each other. Jackson would also be a terrific pick for them. and, actually, this year's top end of the draft seems to have a lot of good options for just about everybody with a pick.


Fox is a good prospect, but most likely the Lakers are picking Ball. Jackson is the perfect pick for the sixers. Jackson, Simmons, and Embiid would be an extremely competitive group with 3 elite young athletes. Jackson can create his own highlights or be the finisher of Simmons' lobs. We can't trade down. Prospects like Jackson aren't in every draft.


Jackson isn't much different than Justise Winslow or MKG. Every draft there are guys like him that can't shoot and are vastly overrated.
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Re: [Keith Smith] Fox climbing. Jackson slipping. 

Post#124 » by CptCrunch » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:25 pm

Keith Smith intel is not worth the electricity my computer used to download the text tweet.

I've been calling Fopx the worst shooting lotto guard within the past half a decade.

5 for 12 or something. Not going to watch this abomination again to recount.

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Post#125 » by PLO » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:54 pm

So if he (Jackson) gets past the Suns how low can he go? If the Lakers go Lonzo he doesn't make too much sense for Boston if they keep the pick. The Kings look sold on Fox at 5. He could slide to the back half of the top 10? What's his floor?
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Post#126 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:58 pm

A guy like Adebayo was shooting better from 3 in these workouts than Fox.
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Post#127 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:09 pm

I am wondering who Fox compares to. I am zero percent sold on his shooting, but love his defensive potential. I don't see him ever becoming a great shooter, but don't think he will be as poor as Rondo. I say he has a ceiling of Rondo / Schroeder with shooting abilities falling between the two.
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Post#128 » by Chi » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:04 am

I was hoping there was a page here about Fox so I could ask...

What is the difference between him and Kris Dunn? He's faster of course but anything else?

Why should I be excited over him when it seems like Dunn was said to have the same work ethic, heart etc.
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Post#129 » by doordoor123 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:19 am

Chi wrote:I was hoping there was a page here about Fox so I could ask...

What is the difference between him and Kris Dunn? He's faster of course but anything else?

Why should I be excited over him when it seems like Dunn was said to have the same work ethic, heart etc.


He's two years younger, he's quicker, worse defender, he's thinner, more athletic and he has better scoring instincts. There's more room for growth with Fox. His defense is a little overrated, but he can get better. The fear with Fox is that he doesn't correct his shot and he's too thin for contact, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. He's one of the quickest guys I've seen coming out of college in a while. Dunn is more in the mold of Mike Conley IMO and Fox is more in the mold of John Wall. Dunn is the better passer and better defender, but Fox is explosive and attacks with his explosiveness.
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Re: [Keith Smith] Fox climbing. Jackson slipping. 

Post#130 » by PLO » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:07 am

PLO wrote:So if he (Jackson) gets past the Suns how low can he go? If the Lakers go Lonzo he doesn't make too much sense for Boston if they keep the pick. The Kings look sold on Fox at 5. He could slide to the back half of the top 10? What's his floor?


Does anyone have any opinion on this? Seems Fox could go ahead of Jackson?
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shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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Post#131 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:09 am

Actually in terms of physical tools, Dunn blows fox out of the water, Dunn is taller, longer and way more strong with a very good frame. It is everything else, speed included, where Fox is/may be better.
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Re: [Keith Smith] Fox climbing. Jackson slipping. 

Post#132 » by Chi » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:35 am

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Chi wrote:I was hoping there was a page here about Fox so I could ask...

What is the difference between him and Kris Dunn? He's faster of course but anything else?

Why should I be excited over him when it seems like Dunn was said to have the same work ethic, heart etc.


He's two years younger, he's quicker, worse defender, he's thinner, more athletic and he has better scoring instincts. There's more room for growth with Fox. His defense is a little overrated, but he can get better. The fear with Fox is that he doesn't correct his shot and he's too thin for contact, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. He's one of the quickest guys I've seen coming out of college in a while. Dunn is more in the mold of Mike Conley IMO and Fox is more in the mold of John Wall. Dunn is the better passer and better defender, but Fox is explosive and attacks with his explosiveness.


From everything I just read here... I think I'd rather have Dunn...
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Post#133 » by Upperclass » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:43 am

Fox is a far superior prospect than Dunn. His speed and agility give him a decisive edge. He's also a much more natural basketball player.. more instinctual. I think Dunn will be a more consistent defender over the course of his career.. But Fox will be a much more impactful point guard imo
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Post#134 » by rpa » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:20 am

Besides being nearly 3 years younger than Dunn at the time of the draft, it should also be mentioned that Dunn was hot trash his first 2 years (of 4) in college. The guy had PERs of 12.4 and 6.4.

When you see a player play that bad and then step it up THAT much as a Junior/Senior you really need to ask yourself whether it was him getting better or him developing the body to dominate younger, smaller opponents. It wouldn't be the first time this happened.
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Re: [Keith Smith] Fox climbing. Jackson slipping. 

Post#135 » by Patsfan1081 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:37 am

EvanZ wrote:
Chris76 wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:i can see why the Lakers are interested in Fox, if they plan on holding onto Russell. the two sort of balance each other. Jackson would also be a terrific pick for them. and, actually, this year's top end of the draft seems to have a lot of good options for just about everybody with a pick.


Fox is a good prospect, but most likely the Lakers are picking Ball. Jackson is the perfect pick for the sixers. Jackson, Simmons, and Embiid would be an extremely competitive group with 3 elite young athletes. Jackson can create his own highlights or be the finisher of Simmons' lobs. We can't trade down. Prospects like Jackson aren't in every draft.


Jackson isn't much different than Justise Winslow or MKG. Every draft there are guys like him that can't shoot and are vastly overrated.


You are really underating Jackson, the kid is a lot more athletic than Winslow or MKG. Not to many players coming out are as athletic/explosive as Jackson Jackson is also more well rounded, he's got much better court vision, passing, and can get get to the basket a lot better. On defense he's a better off ball defender, can actually block a few shots also. Neither Winslow or MKG had the ceiling Jackson does. Also, the narrative that Jackson can't shoot is false, he shot 55/37 on the season. People just question his shot, mostly his release point.
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Post#136 » by EvanZ » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:52 am

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EvanZ wrote:
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Fox is a good prospect, but most likely the Lakers are picking Ball. Jackson is the perfect pick for the sixers. Jackson, Simmons, and Embiid would be an extremely competitive group with 3 elite young athletes. Jackson can create his own highlights or be the finisher of Simmons' lobs. We can't trade down. Prospects like Jackson aren't in every draft.


Jackson isn't much different than Justise Winslow or MKG. Every draft there are guys like him that can't shoot and are vastly overrated.


You are really underating Jackson, the kid is a lot more athletic than Winslow or MKG. Not to many players coming out are as athletic/explosive as Jackson Jackson is also more well rounded, he's got much better court vision, passing, and can get get to the basket a lot better. On defense he's a better off ball defender, can actually block a few shots also. Neither Winslow or MKG had the ceiling Jackson does. Also, the narrative that Jackson can't shoot is false, he shot 55/37 on the season. People just question his shot, mostly his release point.


Every year everyone is more athletic than the last guy who couldn't shoot. Tell me another one.
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