Mirotic12 wrote:Fischella wrote:would you be more optimistic about his skills if he were able to hold the 4 on D? I think eventually he might get there, still growing, he is around 6'8 now but could be at 6'9, really good frame for his age, and his skills at that spot are truly elite for a combo-f type or a big, even if you don't like his athletic profile.
I thought he might be 6-8 in shoes, but I saw him standing very close next to Jeff Taylor not too long ago, and he was definitely shorter than Taylor. Taylor was listed by NBA as 6-7 in shoes.
Maybe it's because Taylor has a ton of hair, that it makes him look taller, but it was really clear when they stood right next to each other, Taylor looked taller. I'm not giving Doncic more than 6-7 in shoes height for the current time now.BoardCrusher wrote:no he is not, but you did fall for the clickbait title and once again showed us how poorly you are able to evaluate euro prospects.
especially with "occasionally knock down step back 3s?", as in euroleague he is in the top when it comes to off the dribble stepback 3pts
Do you mean one of the best at step back 3s? Because he's definitely not the best in EuroLeague at that......
Milos Teodosic
Vassilis Spanoulis
Juan Carlos Navarro
Sergio Llull
Keith Langford
K.C. Rivers
Scottie Wilbekin
Every single one of them is way better at the step back 3 than Doncic is.XTraderXL wrote:I agree with BoardCrusher. Lukas best games were when Llull was on the bench and/or was injured. Then he knew he has almost guaranteed 25min so he was much more relaxed and played his game. He is 18, playing for Real where every game carries pressure and plays with veterans. Of course he will be timid and respectful. This season he showed he can play on the highest Euro level, next year he will be much more confident and will have a bigger role. I think training and playing with Dragic for almost 2 months will benefit him greatly, Goran is a much better player than Llull and he doesnt have his ego so he will let Luka play his game much more than Llull. He will also have an NBA coach so it will be interesting to see how he will play in a more NBA-like system.
He has all the skills to be a good scorer, he just needs to be more aggressive on offense. Aggressiveness is very related to the confidence a player has, he has to know that he will not be taken out of the game if he misses 2 shots in a row. Laso was doing this regularly while Llull shot 4/16 and still played 30 min and got all the shots he wanted.
I can relate to Luka a bit as I played pro ball myself. I wasnt at his level at his age but I was also 2nd year player on a pro senior team at 18. I knew I could score 20 each game but my avg was about 8. This was because I had so much respect for older players and I was not aggressive enough on offense. The next season I got more comfortable and more confident and my avg went from 8 to 22pp. The 22ppg season coincides with Lukas next season and I expect him to get more minutes, bigger role and be more effective overall. The rebounding is there already, passing as well and scoring will come naturally too.
Regarding the draft, I think he will not go 1 but will be in top 4. I believe he will be selected 3rd behind Ayton and Porter if they dont drop off.
I was saying in these Doncic threads all during the season that Real Madrid was a very noticeably worse team on offense, than the previous years, when they had Sergio Rodriguez. Most people here argued against that, and some even said they were better. But it was very clear right from the beginning, that their offense was much worse without Rodriguez.
From that NBA vs. EuroLeague game against the Thunder, it was very obvious. Most people were bragging that they scored 142 points against an NBA team, playing under NBA rules, but I was thinking they probably could have scored 160-180 with Rodriguez. Their offense was that clearly worse.
And it never got better at any point during the season. Which panned out in an easy out at the EuroLeague Final Four at the semis, and a fairly easy 3-1 series win for Valencia in the Spanish ACB League Finals. And they didn't have injuries as an excuse.
The bottom line was, all season long, with Llull and Doncic as their play makers, they had an erratic offense, with almost zero creativity, a ton of hero ball (Llull), very little actual play making, and in the case of Doncic, very little dribble penetration.
The drop off in true point guard skills and play from Rodriguez, was really high and glaringly obvious to anyone that understands proper basketball.
With that being said, no way should Laso and Real Madrid come with the same two main ball handlers next season in Llull and Doncic. They don't have the necessary lead guard skills. They absolutely must have a real play maker, and not someone like just Dontaye Draper, who is basically a pure defensive specialist.
If they don't bring a real play maker, they again won't win anything, and again will have a totally hectic and erratic offense, where they are just jacking up 3s all game long. That's basically all they did the whole season.
They either have to bring back Facundo Campazzo off loan, or sign another play maker. But there is no way that they should roll with a Llull/Doncic combo at the one again, if they are serious about winning. I am guessing they just bring Campazzo back off loan, and he takes the role Rodriguez had.
Doncic isn't getting an increased role and a lot more playing time, if they want to win EuroLeague or Spanish League again.
here you go again, looks like you have serious issues with what people say and just cant let go certain things.
You seriously started about the 6-7, 6-8 debate again?
Maybe you also need to consider buying a pair of glasses, cauise I didnt say anywhere he is the best in step back 3pt.
yet still you come up with a list of players Im not even gonna go deeply into it, but you mention your beloved under 30% from 3pt spanulis and JC Navarro with 16 from 56 attempts, get **** real.
Like in the other thread, where you consider Republic of Congo a part of France, im done responding to you cause youre clearly delusional and debates with you lead nowhere, people just give up as its not worth the energy
, but Bogdan also never shot over 37% before this season, so I'm not letting myself get fooled again by a possible 1 year swing.
