Best Shooter Coming Out?

[vincecarter4pres]

That is a terrible comparison and I cringe every time I see it, along with the Thabo as downside.

[BubbaTee]

Gordon Hayward (would get my vote), James Anderson, Sherron Collins, Paul George

some potential specialists:

Luke Babbitt
Matt Bouldin
Jon Diebler
Jerome Randle
Ryan Thompson

Agree, if "coming out" = draftable. As for the NCAA at large, Rotnei Clarke.

[JonathanG]

JonG..

How would you rate Turner's shooting?

Solid mid-range pull-up, but lacks range. Supposedly he's worked on this part of his game over the summer so we'll have to see how it looks as the season moves on.

Then why do you compare him with Anthony Parker when he has a better all-around game but lacks the range?

Parker couldn't shoot 3's very well until late into his 20's. He was always a guy with a fantastic mid-range game primarily. He was a point forward, a terrific rebounder, a fantastic defender, and a great all-around athlete with a superb basketball IQ. Sound familiar?

Unfortunately most NBA fans who don't follow the European game don't know AP like that, they see a guy who is really limited athletically who can't create his own shot and is mostly a spot-up shooter. He came back to the League way too late, because NBA GMs weren't doing their homework.

The obvious comparison for Turner is Brandon Roy, which we first brought up before any of the other analysts even considered Turner a serious draft prospect. Maybe we'll go back to that one. I really don't think that the comparisons matter that much, I put about .0001% the amount of time into them as I do actually watching the players play and evaluating them. Unfortunately most people on the internet these days can't be bothered to read more than a couple of words, so their eyes gravitate straight to that spot and they expect that to tell them everything they need to know.

[vincecarter4pres]

Turner reminds me a lot of VC without the crazy athleticism as well.

[Ruzious]

Who is the best pure shooter in this draft? And if the answer is some dude in the late 1st area who is basically a shooting specialist, then who among the elite prospects is the best shooter? Turner? Warren? George?

If you want an answer that is a top lotto prospect, I'd have to say Evan Turner probably followed by Greg Monroe(yes, a big man - Chris Webber style minus the athleticism).

evan turner's not a better shooter than willie warren.
greg monroe was like a 70% shooter from the line, and he's supposed to be a pure shooter?
besides, a pure shooter in my book has to at least have 3 pt range. monroe does not.

also, webber wasnt that great of an athlete so that's not saying much about monroe's.

Plech, you're both way off. Webber was among the most physically gifted PFs that ever played college basketball. He wasn't traded for Anfernee Hardaway and 3 firsts because of his jump shot. He developed his range over time. Monroe is a good shooter for a big man, but he's nowhere near the best shooter in the next draft.

[jpatrick]

Before Weber had knee problems, he was one of the most athletically gifted PFs ever. At Michigan Howard was much more skilled than Weber, but Weber was such a freak athlete and had incredible hands that he was pretty unstoppable down low.

[erudite23]

Yeah, whoever said Webber wasn't a great athlete only watched him limp around in Philly. The dude was, imo, even more of a freak athlete than KG coming out. Dude's problems were with his maturity and decision making. His physical package was good enough for him to be the best PF ever, if he had the corresponding mentality to take full advantage of it. He was truly amazing.

[ManualRam]

ugghh not this again. dude i was one the biggest fab 5 fans in illinois. i almost named my kid after one of em.
webber was agile, fluid, mobile and had the ball skills of a wing. not a great run and jump athlete.
antonio mcdyess was a great run and jump athlete. shawn kemp was a great run and jump athlete. stromile swift, tyson chandler, wilcox, amare, etc.

webber even in his physical prime was not their caliber athlete. what made him great was his physical, strength, feel for the game, great hands, soft touch and ball skills for a man his size. not becuz he was an amazing athlete.

[ManualRam]

anyways back to the topic. how does anyone project gordon hayward and luke babbitt? theyre both amazing shooters but as NBA players are they more dunleavy jr., korver or jason kapono?

i've been most impressed with gordon hayward. not only is he a lights shooter but his feel for the game is very good.

[J_Ray]

Gordon Hayward (would get my vote), James Anderson, Sherron Collins, Paul George

some potential specialists:

Luke Babbitt
Matt Bouldin
Jon Diebler
Jerome Randle
Ryan Thompson

James Anderson was the first guy that came to mind for me, just hearing these hyped up names gave me a good laugh though.

[Ruzious]

ugghh not this again. dude i was one the biggest fab 5 fans in illinois. i almost named my kid after one of em.
webber was agile, fluid, mobile and had the ball skills of a wing. not a great run and jump athlete.
antonio mcdyess was a great run and jump athlete. shawn kemp was a great run and jump athlete. stromile swift, tyson chandler, wilcox, amare, etc.

webber even in his physical prime was not their caliber athlete. what made him great was his physical, strength, feel for the game, great hands, soft touch and ball skills for a man his size. not becuz he was an amazing athlete.

EVERY basketball fan saw him many times in college. He did have great skills, but again, he was perhaps the most physically gifted PF ever in college basketball - including speed, quickness, and jumping ability. He was a physical freak of nature - obvious to (almost) everyone who saw him from the first time he stepped on a college basketball court.

[ManualRam]

ugghh not this again. dude i was one the biggest fab 5 fans in illinois. i almost named my kid after one of em.
webber was agile, fluid, mobile and had the ball skills of a wing. not a great run and jump athlete.
antonio mcdyess was a great run and jump athlete. shawn kemp was a great run and jump athlete. stromile swift, tyson chandler, wilcox, amare, etc.

webber even in his physical prime was not their caliber athlete. what made him great was his physical, strength, feel for the game, great hands, soft touch and ball skills for a man his size. not becuz he was an amazing athlete.

EVERY basketball fan saw him many times in college. He did have great skills, but again, he was perhaps the most physically gifted PF ever in college basketball - including speed, quickness, and jumping ability. He was a physical freak of nature - obvious to (almost) everyone who saw him from the first time he stepped on a college basketball court.

no. watch some more tapes then and compare his athleticism to the likes of shawn kemp or pre-injury mcdyess. not even in the same league.
he was a basketball prodigy, gifted with a big frame, amazing hands and great length, but he was not an athletic freak.

[Ruzious]

ugghh not this again. dude i was one the biggest fab 5 fans in illinois. i almost named my kid after one of em.
webber was agile, fluid, mobile and had the ball skills of a wing. not a great run and jump athlete.
antonio mcdyess was a great run and jump athlete. shawn kemp was a great run and jump athlete. stromile swift, tyson chandler, wilcox, amare, etc.

webber even in his physical prime was not their caliber athlete. what made him great was his physical, strength, feel for the game, great hands, soft touch and ball skills for a man his size. not becuz he was an amazing athlete.

EVERY basketball fan saw him many times in college. He did have great skills, but again, he was perhaps the most physically gifted PF ever in college basketball - including speed, quickness, and jumping ability. He was a physical freak of nature - obvious to (almost) everyone who saw him from the first time he stepped on a college basketball court.

no. watch some more tapes then and compare his athleticism to the likes of shawn kemp or pre-injury mcdyess. not even in the same league.
he was a basketball prodigy, gifted with a big frame, amazing hands and great length, but he was not an athletic freak.

That's Gheorge Muresan; not Chris Webber. I don't have tape, but I do have a working memory. We're just not going to come close to agreeing on this.

[ManualRam]

EVERY basketball fan saw him many times in college. He did have great skills, but again, he was perhaps the most physically gifted PF ever in college basketball - including speed, quickness, and jumping ability. He was a physical freak of nature - obvious to (almost) everyone who saw him from the first time he stepped on a college basketball court.

no. watch some more tapes then and compare his athleticism to the likes of shawn kemp or pre-injury mcdyess. not even in the same league.
he was a basketball prodigy, gifted with a big frame, amazing hands and great length, but he was not an athletic freak.

That's Gheorge Muresan; not Chris Webber. I don't have tape, but I do have a working memory. We're just not going to come close to agreeing on this.

ok, go ahead and look up mixtapes on youtube. they show players at different stages of their careers so i'm sure they'll show a young/prime webber. i usually dont use them to evaluate players, but since we're just talking about athleticism, theyre ok to use as reference.
watch some mixtapes, compare them to kemp, young mcdyess, pre-injury amare, pre-injury k-mart or anybody else i've noted as an athletic freak big man.
you'll see the difference.

[ManualRam]

wow. klay thompson's on fire. thought he was a good shooter, but not this good.
57% clip on 6 3's a game.
one of the smoothest shots in the game.

[ManualRam]

anyways back to the topic. how does anyone project gordon hayward and luke babbitt? theyre both amazing shooters but as NBA players are they more dunleavy jr., korver or jason kapono?

i've been most impressed with gordon hayward. not only is he a lights shooter but his feel for the game is very good.

again, how does hayward project to the NBA level?
lights out shooter, good rebounder for his size and overall heady player.
who do you think projects better: hayward, babbitt or singler?

[teamjosh04]

I believe the answer to the OP's question would be Xavier Henry.