ManualRam wrote:#1 pick wrote:ManualRam wrote:yep, my bad, bibby was a soph.
but i disagree on the whole QB/PG analogy. the NBA PG position is not nearly as complicated as the NFL QB position.
why cant a PG with a high bball IQ, solid skills AND good athleticism buy time as well?
The jump from HS PG to college is HUGE. Three times that of any other position in college basketball outside of Center. It's twice that in the NBA and most NBA PG's can play. You need to be mentally on your game as well as consistent because if your not, you will be liability to running your team. It's a tough position to transition to the league when your ready, but when you lack the experience of a couple of years in running a team, it will hamper your potential earnings and your career. I liken William Avery from Duke as well as Mike Conley as two talented PG's who could have been great if they stayed a year or two longer in college. The NBA is not a place to learn. If your not a slashing super skilled and athletic PG (Wall, Rose) you will struggle because you have so many responsibilities that you have under your belt. I think the PG position is the toughest in basketball aside from Center. The Center position is like the QB position in terms of impact. If you have a true elite center, you can always have a legit chance to win a title. The problem is, all the great potential prospects leave too soon and we never have great center prospects because of that. Everyone thinks their ready when in reality, they might be ready for the league but not for stardom and some not even ready for the league (Jordan(LAC), Mullens(OKC)).
Experience is very important for a PG and Center. To be honest, these two positions are the PG's of the court. They can be your best passer and play-makers and have substantial impact on your team success.
whole lotta words that dont mean much to me.
irving is intelligent, skilled, has great instincts and is a GOOD athlete. hes no slouch in that department. he just patterns his game after CP3 so his game involves plenty of changes in speed and direction...but make no mistake, he's a blur in the open court and extremely shifty.
he also has a very sneaky first step, aided by the fact that he is already a threat from the outside.
he's as complete a prep PG as i've seen in a while.
if he has a good season, he will go pro and he will be top 5. doesnt matter what your theories are.
i dunno why you keep ignoring the fact that players arent drafted just for their rookie seasons.
lastly, your notion that the NBA is not a place to learn is absolutely ridiculous.
His game is more like Jay Williams than CP3. The difference is Irving is actually a PG while Williams was an undersized SG who had to learn to be a PG. I think your believing in his skills way too much. The mental aspect is the issue, simple as that. It's too much of a transition for a freshman PG who is a play-maker without elite athleticism to make an impact as a rookie.
He can go pro all day, it's his life. I'm not ignoring the fact, leaving as FR. will hamper him and he will not live up to his draft status. I gave you examples, you have yet to give me one. I've stated a number of times he's talented. I do not see where your going with the this.