Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Moe Harkless

[basketball royalty]

Thank goodness. Never heard of this guy and have been completely uninterested in this pick because all I really want is MKG. Now I have some hope if we do end up keeping the pick. If he has the potential he seems to have I have no problem reaching for him at 8 because I don't like much in this draft outside of MKG or Barnes. Beals and Lamb are good too but don't fill the void as well as a long defensive SF with a motor would.

[BillyGM]

DRAFTEXPRESS:
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 1993 SF Height w/shoes 6' 7.5" Wingspan 7' 0" Standing Reach 8' 8.5" Body Fat 7.0 Best Case: Andre Iguodala
Moe Harkless 1993 SF Height w/shoes 6' 8.75" Wingspan 7' 0" Standing Reach 8' 7.5" Body Fat 5.3 Best Case: Trevor Ariza

[JamesNaismith]

LOL funny that Ariza was the guy Harkless reminded me of with more toughness but I didn't wanna jump the gun. Probably why I'm not a fan of drafting him...I can't think of a better comparison or see one..yet.

[BillyGM]

LOL funny that Ariza was the guy Harkless reminded me of with more toughness but I didn't wanna jump the gun. Probably why I'm not a fan of drafting him...I can't think of a better comparison or see one..yet.

But I was watching Draft Combine live stream and I saw him shoot lights out even from 3pt range while guys like Quincy were shooting bricks.

[JamesNaismith]

LOL funny that Ariza was the guy Harkless reminded me of with more toughness but I didn't wanna jump the gun. Probably why I'm not a fan of drafting him...I can't think of a better comparison or see one..yet.

But I was watching Draft Combine live stream and I saw him shoot lights out even from 3pt range while guys like Quincy were shooting bricks.

Ariza was a decent 3pt shooter at one point as well with the Lakers and Magic.

As for mentioning Quincy, that's cool....the difference is one guy is projected at the end of the 1st rd to 2nd rd and the other were discussing with our EIGHTH pick overall. I think we should hold a much higher standard to the top 10 pick right?!

[dagger]

LOL funny that Ariza was the guy Harkless reminded me of with more toughness but I didn't wanna jump the gun. Probably why I'm not a fan of drafting him...I can't think of a better comparison or see one..yet.

But I was watching Draft Combine live stream and I saw him shoot lights out even from 3pt range while guys like Quincy were shooting bricks.

Ariza was a decent 3pt shooter at one point as well with the Lakers and Magic.

As for mentioning Quincy, that's cool....the difference is one guy is projected at the end of the 1st rd to 2nd rd and the other were discussing with our EIGHTH pick overall. I think we should hold a much higher standard to the top 10 pick right?!

Maybe so, but only if you form your opinion based on media mock drafts. Who's to say they have a clue?

[CTG]

LOL funny that Ariza was the guy Harkless reminded me of with more toughness but I didn't wanna jump the gun. Probably why I'm not a fan of drafting him...I can't think of a better comparison or see one..yet.

Kinda reminds me of a young artest

[Marlo Stanfield]

LOL funny that Ariza was the guy Harkless reminded me of with more toughness but I didn't wanna jump the gun. Probably why I'm not a fan of drafting him...I can't think of a better comparison or see one..yet.

The guy you're forgetting is Paul George Harkless and George are eerily similar all the way down to the jumpshots, he just never got to show it playing the PF spot at St. Johns. The biggest difference is that George had 4 inches more on his standing reach while Harkless has a larger wingspan (which makes no sense to me unless George had extra long fingernails). Also, don't sleep on Harkless' defense because St. Johns went zone a lot, he didn't really get to showcase that wingspan and athletic ability defensively.

[BillyGM]

So would be great to get both Lamb and Harkless if possible. I think there's a way to package Ed Davis + 2nd round picks for 15-20 pick.

[OAKLEY_2]

Man there are a lot of hybrid forwards in this draft. He looks like a fabulous small forward on offence. He contorts his body every which way to get the ball in the hoop. Efficient scorer. Has a good stroke too. BC needs 2 picks one for a SF with upside like Harkless and the other to ensure a BPA selection. I think the decisions get easier with 2 picks rather than one. Never mind who we already have on the roster a great draft would be Lillard/Harkless or Sullinger/Harkless. They can still give Casey his veterans but it would be crazy no to net a couple players early in this draft. I know BC is keeping the 8th but can he now use assets or cap space to net another high pick? C'mon! The same logic for keeping the 8th would apply to acquiring another high pick.

[BillyGM]

If we get Lillard/Lamb/PJ3/Waiters at 8 I wouldn't mind trading 2nd round picks + Ed Davis for 15-20 pick where we could easily pick Quincy Miller or Moe Harkless both freshman SF.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Comparing Harkless' defense, all while playing out of position, with the 3 of the best rebounder defenders in this draft, Anthony Davis, MKG and T-Rob AND PAUL GEORGE (in his final year at Fresno St.):

OFFENSIVELY

% of teams Offensive Rebounds
T-Rob - 25.2%
Davis - 24.4%
Harkless - 22%
MKG - 21.1%
George - 18.2%

% of teams Defensive Rebounds
T-Rob - 34.3%
Davis - 27.7%
Harkless - 27%
George - 23.2%
MKG - 18.1%

% of teams rebounds (total)
T-Rob - 31.5%
Davis - 26.7%
Harkless - 25.2%
George - 21.6%
MKG - 19.1%

% of teams blocked shots
Davis - 54.1%
Harkless - 37.8%
George - 19.1%
T-Rob - 15.3%
MKG - 10.8%

% of teams steals
George - 27.9%
Davis - 22.3%
Harkless - 22%
MKG - 16.1%
T-Rob - 14.7%

DEFENSIVELY - vs. George & MKG

% of total team points
George - 25.3%
Harkless - 23.3%
MKG - 15.4%

% of total team FG
Harkless - 23.7%
George - 23.4%
MKG - 14.5%

% of team 3P
George - 28.2%
Harkless - 17.1%
MKG - 8.6%

% of team FT
George - 21.5%
MKG - 20.5%
Harkless - 19.5%

I understand that Kentucky was a stacked team, but to be in the same realm as Davis and MKG defensively is impressive nonetheless. Also, those block and steal percentages really make me think Paul George. It shows that Moe (even while playing a majority zone), was still very active defensively. The only category George beats Harkless in defensively is steals.

Statistics - George vs. Harkless

MPG
Harkless - 36.1
George - 33.2

PPG
Harkless - 15.5
George - 16.8

RPG
Harkless - 8.6
George - 7.2

APG
Harkless - 1.5
George - 3.0

SPG
Harkless - 1.6
George - 2.2

BPG
Harkless - 1.4
George - 0.8

FG%
Harkless - 45.2%
George - 42.4%

3P%
Harkless - 21.5%
George - 35.3%

Measurements - George vs. Harkless

Height w/o shoes:
Harkless - 6'7".25
George - 6'7".75

Height w. shoes:
Harkless - 6'8".75
George - 6'8".75

Weight:
Harkless - 207
George - 214

Wingspan:
Harkless - 7'0"
George - 6'11".25

Standing Reach:
Harkless - 8'7".5
George - 8'11"

Body fat %:
Harkless - 5.3
George - 5.0

[BillyGM]

As we're aiming for SF:
1. Harrison Barnes
2. Michael Kidd Gilchrist
-gap-
3. Moe Harkless
-gap-
4. Quincy Miller
I'm not ranking Terrence and Perry Jones as they're currently PF's and haven't prooved their ability to play SF.

Would love to grab Harkless or Miller and develope one of them.

[Dr Positivity]

Moe Harkless = Paul George

wouldn't mind him at all, looks like a good prospect with great potential at the 3!

Paul George's standout skill is 3pt shooting, which is probably Harkless' biggest weakness, so not a lot of sense in comparing them. Harkless plays more like Wilson Chandler

[RapsFanInOhio]

Moe Harkless = Paul George

wouldn't mind him at all, looks like a good prospect with great potential at the 3!

Paul George's standout skill is 3pt shooting, which is probably Harkless' biggest weakness, so not a lot of sense in comparing them. Harkless plays more like Wilson Chandler

That's a good comparison.