Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[OAKLEY_2]

To Chicago for..
Deng
Big TPE

To Miami for..
Micheal Beasley
Big TPE

To New Jersey for...
Jeff Teague
1st rounder
Big TPE

To New York for...
Wilson Chandler
1st rounder
Big TPE

The Big Tepee. The cavalry ain't coming. Damn. I take Beasley and the big tepee done. Jeff Teague TPE and 2 first rounders maybe.

You might be very right but I bet we take a flyer on a sizeable expiring instead of TPE so we have options. I cannot see us being left holding the bag with pretty much a cash deal and player A. I also think teams want him a little more than Wilson Chandler and a first rounder. Deng? Not a chance.

[gerrit4]

And I'm with Harry on this one thing: It's highly unlikely we can get solid star or likely star players in a sign and trade. Picks, raw prospects, a trade exception, expiring contracts that can leverage trades - that's far more likely. In other words, non core assets that are less certain to pan out, but which combined with our own expirings and draft picks could lay a better new foundation (just not overnight).

Sounds about right to me. I hope there is a bit of a bidding war for Bosh and BC will have his choice of packages. End of the day, it will probably be something much better than losing Bosh for nothing but worse than keeping him.

Here's some potential players I could see being traded for Bosh:

David Lee
Darren Collison & Okafor (this would keep CP happy, make them contenders again)
Mike Beasley (not as bad as people think, but a terrible fit for this team)
Andrew Bynum (although his injury history is frightening)
Jeff Green (though Presti is not high on overpaying players, no offence CB)
Kevin Martin
Nene

If this wasn't a sign & trade, I'd hope for guys like:
Noah
Horford
Bogut
Aldridge

But that's probably not realistic at this point.

Just curious, what do you think the best 2010 pick could be packaged in a S&T for Bosh? Anything outside of top 2? If Utah falls out of the top 3, that could be a good match as well.

Another guy I'd keep an eye on this summer if I was BC would be Varejao. If Lebron leaves, he probably wouldn't be a part of their rebuilding process.

[Y0DA]

Could we trade him to the Nets for John Wall and cash?

If the Raps were crack dealers and the Nets were crack smokers....

Wall is a phenom, he won't be dealt for anything outside of LeBron and possible D12 to the team with the number 1 pick...

I think you might be overrating him.

[Rapsobsessed7]

And I'm with Harry on this one thing: It's highly unlikely we can get solid star or likely star players in a sign and trade. Picks, raw prospects, a trade exception, expiring contracts that can leverage trades - that's far more likely. In other words, non core assets that are less certain to pan out, but which combined with our own expirings and draft picks could lay a better new foundation (just not overnight).

Sounds about right to me. I hope there is a bit of a bidding war for Bosh and BC will have his choice of packages. End of the day, it will probably be something much better than losing Bosh for nothing but worse than keeping him.

Here's some potential players I could see being traded for Bosh:

David Lee
Darren Collison & Okafor (this would keep CP happy, make them contenders again)
Mike Beasley (not as bad as people think, but a terrible fit for this team)
Andrew Bynum (although his injury history is frightening)
Jeff Green (though Presti is not high on overpaying players, no offence CB)
Kevin Martin
Nene

If this wasn't a sign & trade, I'd hope for guys like:
Noah
Horford
Bogut
Aldridge

But that's probably not realistic at this point.

Just curious, what do you think the best 2010 pick could be packaged in a S&T for Bosh? Anything outside of top 2? If Utah falls out of the top 3, that could be a good match as well.

Another guy I'd keep an eye on this summer if I was BC would be Varejao. If Lebron leaves, he probably wouldn't be a part of their rebuilding process.

Why wouldnt Portland do aldridge? He plays the same position as Bosh, they would have Oden at C and they cant get Bosh without doing it.

I think a good offer from them would be.

Aldridge
Pryz (expiring)
Fernandez

for

Bosh

however i dont like the Aldridge/Bargnani fit.

[gerrit4]

And I'm with Harry on this one thing: It's highly unlikely we can get solid star or likely star players in a sign and trade. Picks, raw prospects, a trade exception, expiring contracts that can leverage trades - that's far more likely. In other words, non core assets that are less certain to pan out, but which combined with our own expirings and draft picks could lay a better new foundation (just not overnight).

Sounds about right to me. I hope there is a bit of a bidding war for Bosh and BC will have his choice of packages. End of the day, it will probably be something much better than losing Bosh for nothing but worse than keeping him.

Here's some potential players I could see being traded for Bosh:

David Lee
Darren Collison & Okafor (this would keep CP happy, make them contenders again)
Mike Beasley (not as bad as people think, but a terrible fit for this team)
Andrew Bynum (although his injury history is frightening)
Jeff Green (though Presti is not high on overpaying players, no offence CB)
Kevin Martin
Nene

If this wasn't a sign & trade, I'd hope for guys like:
Noah
Horford
Bogut
Aldridge

But that's probably not realistic at this point.

Just curious, what do you think the best 2010 pick could be packaged in a S&T for Bosh? Anything outside of top 2? If Utah falls out of the top 3, that could be a good match as well.

Another guy I'd keep an eye on this summer if I was BC would be Varejao. If Lebron leaves, he probably wouldn't be a part of their rebuilding process.

Why wouldnt Portland do aldridge? He plays the same position as Bosh, they would have Oden at C and they cant get Bosh without doing it.

I think a good offer from them would be.

Aldridge
Pryz (expiring)
Fernandez

for

Bosh

however i dont like the Aldridge/Bargnani fit.

I agree in terms of talent, but I'm not sure if Bosh at 25 mill per year for 6 years has as much value as Aldrige at 10 million (or so) per year for less time. Maybe I'm wrong (I hope I am) but for some reason I don't see Pritchard doing that trade. He has a history of overvaluing his assets.

[raps4life~]

Could we trade him to the Nets for John Wall and cash?

If the Raps were crack dealers and the Nets were crack smokers....

Wall is a phenom, he won't be dealt for anything outside of LeBron and possible D12 to the team with the number 1 pick...

I think you might be overrating him.

Even if he is, why in hell's name would a team trade a first overall pick for a free agent?

[Dr Positivity]

And I'm with Harry on this one thing: It's highly unlikely we can get solid star or likely star players in a sign and trade. Picks, raw prospects, a trade exception, expiring contracts that can leverage trades - that's far more likely. In other words, non core assets that are less certain to pan out, but which combined with our own expirings and draft picks could lay a better new foundation (just not overnight).

Sounds about right to me. I hope there is a bit of a bidding war for Bosh and BC will have his choice of packages. End of the day, it will probably be something much better than losing Bosh for nothing but worse than keeping him.

Here's some potential players I could see being traded for Bosh:

David Lee
Darren Collison & Okafor (this would keep CP happy, make them contenders again)
Mike Beasley (not as bad as people think, but a terrible fit for this team)
Andrew Bynum (although his injury history is frightening)
Jeff Green (though Presti is not high on overpaying players, no offence CB)
Kevin Martin
Nene

If this wasn't a sign & trade, I'd hope for guys like:
Noah
Horford
Bogut
Aldridge

But that's probably not realistic at this point.

Just curious, what do you think the best 2010 pick could be packaged in a S&T for Bosh? Anything outside of top 2? If Utah falls out of the top 3, that could be a good match as well.

Another guy I'd keep an eye on this summer if I was BC would be Varejao. If Lebron leaves, he probably wouldn't be a part of their rebuilding process.

You're still aiming wayyyyyyy too high

Bosh return is going to be more like #13 and #15 2010 picks, or James Johnson and the #18, plus the TPE

If we're interested in a top 8 prospect we could package those two together and move up maybe. Cole Aldrich, Al-Farouq Aminu would be good fits

[SkywalkerAC]

I'd really like a 3-team deal that has Rubio or Thabeet coming back...

But Houston is looking more and more likely to me. Two draft picks, Hill, Jeffries, and filler.

Anyone else starting to think that Miami and New York might not be the interested in Bosh?

[Y0DA]

Even if he is, why in hell's name would a team trade a first overall pick for a free agent?

Sign & trade, obviously.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Keep in mind that Colangelo is a trader; if there's one thing he's good at, it's his ability to make trades and get creative in the process. Sure, he may suck *** at signing FAs, or building complete rosters, but BC can make trades with the best of 'em. And that TPE can be a major tool for him in the sense that it can allow him to absorb contracts from teams that may be looking to shed salaries.

Also, I think BC is going to be a buyer, for good or bad. I'd look for potential deals for Iguodala, for Monta Ellis, for young players who are maybe underperforming or could become available, like Thad Young, Mike Conley, perhaps Jonny Flynn if Rubio comes over ( trades similar to the Villanueva for TJ Ford swap).

It's Bryan Colangelo; I don't know if he has the patience to rebuild if Bosh leaves, even though it may be the smart thing to do (i.e. sell instead of buy). He'll just trade for another star.

[dagger]

I'd really like a 3-team deal that has Rubio or Thabeet coming back...

But Houston is looking more and more likely to me. Two draft picks, Hill, Jeffries, and filler.

Anyone else starting to think that Miami and New York might not be the interested in Bosh?

I'm going to say this every time Houston is mentionned. Don't forget the rights to Sergio Llull, drafted #34 overall last June even though he has two years to go on his Real Madrid contract. Houston has Brooks and Lowry. Llull is going to be Jose with a bit more speed and much better defence, and will be just right to replace our two point guards after the lockout.

[SkywalkerAC]

yeah, forgot about Llull. Rockets can put together a decent package for sure. perhaps Battier would be included and then waived? Hill/Lull/Jeffries/Battier/picks?

i'm really curious to see how the CBA/lockout is going to shape BC's decisions regarding 2011. Will expirings lose most of their trade value? Is dropping salary or taking on salary the way to go heading into a lockout? it's hard to guess without knowing how negotiations are going to play out. if there's a hard cap, will we be able to waive Turk completely so he doesn't count against the cap?

one thing I'm pretty sure of is that 2011 will be a good time to tank, with relatively little to build towards the following year (although there probably will still be a championship), and a good shot at getting high lotto picks in back to back seasons.

[alpha]

Any way the Rockets would consider YAO...and any way BC would consider YAO (inuriy problems and all)

[dagger]

yeah, forgot about Llull. Rockets can put together a decent package for sure. perhaps Battier would be included and then waived? Hill/Lull/Jeffries/Battier/picks?

i'm really curious to see how the CBA/lockout is going to shape BC's decisions regarding 2011. Will expirings lose most of their trade value? Is dropping salary or taking on salary the way to go heading into a lockout? it's hard to guess without knowing how negotiations are going to play out. if there's a hard cap, will we be able to waive Turk completely so he doesn't count against the cap?

one thing I'm pretty sure of is that 2011 will be a good time to tank, with relatively little to build towards the following year (although there probably will still be a championship), and a good shot at getting high lotto picks in back to back seasons.

Yes, it's hard for us to project all CBA ramifications in advance. I presume the teams have a bit of insight, at least into Stern's general direction. The one thing I would not assume is that a lockout would leave us drafting in the same position in 2012 as in 2011 (unless some kind of abbreviated season is played in 2011-12). Based on the NHL experience, if an entire season is lost, the draft that follows would be based on some kind of system where all 30 teams participate in the lottery, maybe not equally, but there won't be a situation where the team with the first overall pick in 2011 gets the same position in 2012.

[StopitLeo]

If Bosh leaves via S&T then BC needs to get pieces back that compliment Bargs as your #1 which means better defensive balance.

Looking at our current roster, assuming we can resign Amir:

PG: Jose/Jack/Banks
Wings: DD/ Turk/Weems/Belli
Bigs: Bargs/Amir/Reggie

Clearly we would need help at the 2/3 (some offensive prowess but especially defensively) and another big (rebounding/defense focussed).

Not sure what kind of deals will be out there. I'd almost rather have a top 3 pick to grab Turner for the future.

[LarsV8]

Any way the Rockets would consider YAO...and any way BC would consider YAO (inuriy problems and all)

Its highly unlikely. Our owner used the drafting of Yao as leverage to enter into business deals in China, which in turn generates his core cash flow outside of basketball. Who knows what happens to all that if he trades Yao. The implications of any trade go far beyond the game of basketball.

[Rapsobsessed7]

how about we talk about us being able to S&T for another teams max FA a guy like Joe Johnson. Tons of talk of himm going to NYK for the max and Atlanta not willing to pay it but here then, lets bring him in and convince CB to stay here. Heres my offseason plan:

Toronto Sends:
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
DeMar Derozan $2,453,880
Sonny Weems $854,389
2011 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)
= 12,380,269 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 15,485,336

Toronto Gets:
Joe Johnson $14,976,754 (S&T max contract)
Mario Chalmers $854,389 (absorbed through a TE)

Toronto gets Joe Johnson to make Bosh stay.

Atlanta Sends:
Joe Johnson $14,976,754 (S&T max contract)
Mike Bibby $5,564,767

Atlanta Gets:
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
Sonny Weems $854,389
DeMar Derozan $2,453,880
James Jones $4,650,000
2011 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)

Atlanta gets a rebuilding package. Save long term money and immediate money for Joe. Save 4 million instantly, upgrade from Bibby to Calderon, get a replacement in Derozan, get another young guy in Weems and a future 1st rounder.

Heat Send:
James Jones $4,650,000
Mario Chalmers $854,389

Heat Get:
Mike Bibby $5,564,767

Heat get their PG that fits nicely beside Wade and they go out and sign Amare to the max.

*Note: What Chris Bosh is worth in a S&T has differed but IMO this is a better S&T package for Johnson than some of the Bosh proposals weve seen thrown around here and its almost certain JJ walks for the max IMO.
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I follow the deal up with.

Andrea Bargnani $8,500,000 ($6,527,491 BYC value)
Reggie Evans $5,080,000

for

Emeka Okafor $11,795,000
Julian Wright $2,858,057

Hornets get a big man that would flourish with Paul at the point. He would get so many open looks

Raptors get defense, we wouldnt need anymore scoring.
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My Offseason:
- Resign Antonie Wright for 2 million a season.
- Resign Amir for 4.3 million a season
- Sign Josh Powell for bi annual
- Draft Dexter Pittman/Jerome Jordan

Jack/Chalmers/Banks
Johnson/Belinelli
Hedo/A.Wright/J.Wright
Bosh/Johnson
Okafor/Powell/Pittman

Now how far could that team go? ECF? Beyond. It would be an improvement defensively + offensively we pair Johnson + Bosh together. open time for belinelli and Chalmers is a decent defender. All in all a successful offseason, IMO very realistic and keeps Bosh. Thats what i would do if i were BC but im not so.

[HEKTOR]

How about this?

re-sign Amir (3-4yr deal)
re-sign Rasho (1yr deal)
let Wright expire

sign+trade Bosh+Calderon+cash or future 2nd Rd Pick to NJ for D.Harris+B.Lopez+Dooling
trade Banks+Evans+1st Rd Pick 2010 to G-State for Maggette
sign Darko (3yr deal)

Giving us a line-up of:

HARRIS / Jack / Dooling
DeRozan / Weems / Belinelli
MAGGETTE / Turkoglu
BARGNANI / Amir
B.LOPEZ / Darko / Rasho

Turk being our 6th man.

2010 Salaries:

Harris - $8,981,000
Jack - $4,860,000
Dooling - $3,828,000
Maggette - $9,600,000
DeRozan - $2,453,880
Belinelli - $2,380,270
Weems - $854,389
Turkoglu - $9,800,000
Bargnani - $8,000,000
Amir - $4,464,000
Rasho - $1,990,000
B.Lopez - $2,413,320
Darko - $5,250,000

Total - 64,874,859

Does that even work? I'm not sure how the LLE, MLE, etc. all work.

[HEKTOR]

On a more serious note, I'd be quite intrigued by a Houston package consisting of Hill, Jeffries, 1st Rd Pick 2010 NY, 1st Rd Pick 2010 Houston + rights to Llull for Chris Bosh.

If we could somehow get Brooks too while dumping Calderon on them, that would be great, but perhaps asking for a little too much.

[Lord Leoshes]

how about we talk about us being able to S&T for another teams max FA a guy like Joe Johnson. Tons of talk of himm going to NYK for the max and Atlanta not willing to pay it but here then, lets bring him in and convince CB to stay here. Heres my offseason plan:

Toronto Sends:
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
DeMar Derozan $2,453,880
Sonny Weems $854,389
2011 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)
= 12,380,269 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 15,485,336

Toronto Gets:
Joe Johnson $14,976,754 (S&T max contract)
Mario Chalmers $854,389 (absorbed through a TE)

Toronto gets Joe Johnson to make Bosh stay.

Atlanta Sends:
Joe Johnson $14,976,754 (S&T max contract)
Mike Bibby $5,564,767

Atlanta Gets:
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
Sonny Weems $854,389
DeMar Derozan $2,453,880
James Jones $4,650,000
2011 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)

Atlanta gets a rebuilding package. Save long term money and immediate money for Joe. Save 4 million instantly, upgrade from Bibby to Calderon, get a replacement in Derozan, get another young guy in Weems and a future 1st rounder.

Heat Send:
James Jones $4,650,000
Mario Chalmers $854,389

Heat Get:
Mike Bibby $5,564,767

Heat get their PG that fits nicely beside Wade and they go out and sign Amare to the max.

*Note: What Chris Bosh is worth in a S&T has differed but IMO this is a better S&T package for Johnson than some of the Bosh proposals weve seen thrown around here and its almost certain JJ walks for the max IMO.
_________________________________________________________________________________________
I follow the deal up with.

Andrea Bargnani $8,500,000 ($6,527,491 BYC value)
Reggie Evans $5,080,000

for

Emeka Okafor $11,795,000
Julian Wright $2,858,057

Hornets get a big man that would flourish with Paul at the point. He would get so many open looks

Raptors get defense, we wouldnt need anymore scoring.
__________________________________________________________________________________________
My Offseason:
- Resign Antonie Wright for 2 million a season.
- Resign Amir for 4.3 million a season
- Sign Josh Powell for bi annual
- Draft Dexter Pittman/Jerome Jordan

Jack/Chalmers/Banks
Johnson/Belinelli
Hedo/A.Wright/J.Wright
Bosh/Johnson
Okafor/Powell/Pittman

Now how far could that team go? ECF? Beyond. It would be an improvement defensively + offensively we pair Johnson + Bosh together. open time for belinelli and Chalmers is a decent defender. All in all a successful offseason, IMO very realistic and keeps Bosh. Thats what i would do if i were BC but im not so.

Sorry but the Heat dont want a scrub like Bibby, they are going after Bron/Bosh/Amare, or even JJ.


Bibby?