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Dalek wrote:My summary of the article and with Edey in general is that he is a great but deeply flawed player. He cannot come out of the paint and is susceptible to floaters and will have issues with pick and roll. He is a non-jumpshooter who is around 70% from the freethrow line which doesn't exactly make you think he has another leap in him as a shooter.

The most damning thing is that over his entire career he has a negative assist-to-turnover ratio. When you watch him pass they are usually quick, short-range hits to cutters, no kick outs to corners, no probing options.

He does come in with elite size and strength and a simple but effective post game. I was surprised to find out he is only 21 - so he has a lot of time to further develop. I am very curious about how good it will be for him in the NBA with spacing - maybe too unstoppable even for Wemby.

I think if we end up with three picks there is zero chance Toronto will pass on him with that Indy pick.

What I think is ultimately it is a benefit to have an Edey because it is an arms race in the NBA. Joel Embiid, Jokic are the past two MVPs, and now we have Wemby. You need size to compete for a title, so Edey as a dominant big will help change the dynamic for Toronto. At worst I think he is going to be Jonas Valancuinas level of impact, which is going to at least create a credible bench threat.

The problem is our style of play currently, just doesn't fit him. If we dumped Darko ball for more of grinding Thibs ball, we would have something.

The Knicks should take him with #21 or 22. Sarr, Clingan, Filipowski, then Ware and Edey. Edey needs a right situation to be a starter.

I do rate the C prospects similarly to you. For Toronto I really like Sarr, Clingan (better defender and passer than Edey), and I am on the fence with Flip and Ware. Flip I think is a PF and not a full time C, but maybe in a high pace offense like Toronto it could work. Ware I put below Edey. I think Zach will have a more successful career.

Honestly, with better training Edey can be a starter - he just needs to work on becoming a hub on offense to unlock more to his game. I keep thinking about how much I liked Sengun back in 2021 but everyone was thinking his slowish feet and small wingspan and lack of jumper would limit him in the NBA, and now he well-outplayed his draft slot 16 (similar to where Toronto would draft Edey). Edey is just as dominant - if not more than Sengun - going into the draft. Is it overthinking about whether Edey can be a success?

Thaddy wrote:

Dalek wrote:

Psubs wrote:
The Knicks should take him with #21 or 22. Sarr, Clingan, Filipowski, then Ware and Edey. Edey needs a right situation to be a starter.

I do rate the C prospects similarly to you. For Toronto I really like Sarr, Clingan (better defender and passer than Edey), and I am on the fence with Flip and Ware. Flip I think is a PF and not a full time C, but maybe in a high pace offense like Toronto it could work. Ware I put below Edey. I think Zach will have a more successful career.

Honestly, with better training Edey can be a starter - he just needs to work on becoming a hub on offense to unlock more to his game. I keep thinking about how much I liked Sengun back in 2021 but everyone was thinking his slowish feet and small wingspan and lack of jumper would limit him in the NBA, and now he well-outplayed his draft slot 16 (similar to where Toronto would draft Edey). Edey is just as dominant - if not more than Sengun - going into the draft. Is it overthinking about whether Edey can be a success?

Edey has a negative assist to turnover ratio. That isn't turning into a hub.

Thaddy wrote:

Dalek wrote:

Psubs wrote:
The Knicks should take him with #21 or 22. Sarr, Clingan, Filipowski, then Ware and Edey. Edey needs a right situation to be a starter.

I do rate the C prospects similarly to you. For Toronto I really like Sarr, Clingan (better defender and passer than Edey), and I am on the fence with Flip and Ware. Flip I think is a PF and not a full time C, but maybe in a high pace offense like Toronto it could work. Ware I put below Edey. I think Zach will have a more successful career.

Honestly, with better training Edey can be a starter - he just needs to work on becoming a hub on offense to unlock more to his game. I keep thinking about how much I liked Sengun back in 2021 but everyone was thinking his slowish feet and small wingspan and lack of jumper would limit him in the NBA, and now he well-outplayed his draft slot 16 (similar to where Toronto would draft Edey). Edey is just as dominant - if not more than Sengun - going into the draft. Is it overthinking about whether Edey can be a success?

Edey has a negative assist to turnover ratio. That isn't turning into a hub.

Dalek wrote:

Thaddy wrote:

Dalek wrote:
I do rate the C prospects similarly to you. For Toronto I really like Sarr, Clingan (better defender and passer than Edey), and I am on the fence with Flip and Ware. Flip I think is a PF and not a full time C, but maybe in a high pace offense like Toronto it could work. Ware I put below Edey. I think Zach will have a more successful career.

Honestly, with better training Edey can be a starter - he just needs to work on becoming a hub on offense to unlock more to his game. I keep thinking about how much I liked Sengun back in 2021 but everyone was thinking his slowish feet and small wingspan and lack of jumper would limit him in the NBA, and now he well-outplayed his draft slot 16 (similar to where Toronto would draft Edey). Edey is just as dominant - if not more than Sengun - going into the draft. Is it overthinking about whether Edey can be a success?

Edey has a negative assist to turnover ratio. That isn't turning into a hub.

Yes, I know the college passing results are not great, but he is also facing double and triple teams and has like 30% usage which is going to go down in the NBA.

Overall, as a big guy he has nice touch and I think the passing will be better with NBA spacing and experience. I don't know how much college ball you watch, but these teams have 3 people in the paint all the time with Edey, so he has it tough. That said, he has to adapt to making faster decisions when he hits the NBA because the doubles will come fast and right now he seems a half beat slow to react.

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Dalek wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Edey has a negative assist to turnover ratio. That isn't turning into a hub.

Yes, I know the college passing results are not great, but he is also facing double and triple teams and has like 30% usage which is going to go down in the NBA.

Overall, as a big guy he has nice touch and I think the passing will be better with NBA spacing and experience. I don't know how much college ball you watch, but these teams have 3 people in the paint all the time with Edey, so he has it tough. That said, he has to adapt to making faster decisions when he hits the NBA because the doubles will come fast and right now he seems a half beat slow to react.

Why would you want a 7'5" 300lb C to pass the ball out? That's an automatic and1 from 12 feet and in. He's shooting 63% from the field.

Mark_83 wrote:Trade question: if the Raps the 6th pick would you move it in a trade for a young player like Patrick Williams who Chicago did not extend because he was asking for 20+ million? Accelerates the retool/rebuild by giving us a young OG replacement who can defend and shoot.

Mark_83 wrote:Trade question: if the Raps the 6th pick would you move it in a trade for a young player like Patrick Williams who Chicago did not extend because he was asking for 20+ million? Accelerates the retool/rebuild by giving us a young OG replacement who can defend and shoot.

canada_dry wrote:

Mark_83 wrote:Trade question: if the Raps the 6th pick would you move it in a trade for a young player like Patrick Williams who Chicago did not extend because he was asking for 20+ million? Accelerates the retool/rebuild by giving us a young OG replacement who can defend and shoot.

Hes arguably worth a middle to late 1st pick at best. Not 6th. Absolutely not.

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Mark_83 wrote:

canada_dry wrote:

Mark_83 wrote:Trade question: if the Raps the 6th pick would you move it in a trade for a young player like Patrick Williams who Chicago did not extend because he was asking for 20+ million? Accelerates the retool/rebuild by giving us a young OG replacement who can defend and shoot.

Hes arguably worth a middle to late 1st pick at best. Not 6th. Absolutely not.

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Middle to late 1st in this draft? So you think he's worth a late 1st to early second in a normal draft?