Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[So Clutch]

Please keep the sign and trade deals as realistic as possible because this could turn into a very real situation in a few months.

If some people with a bit more NBA insight could enlighten us, what exactly is a realistic return to expect? Some people on here (mostly on the general board) have been saying that we don't really have leverage in our negotiations for Bosh. I know Minny got Al Jeff and garbage for Garnett in a TRADE and not a sign and trade, so is it realistic to expect much less?

Educate, please.

[danny-callahan]

1) Bosh Signed for the Maximum Contract and Traded to MIA along with Calderon for:
TOR 2010 1st round pick
MIA 2010 1st round pick
Mario Chalmers
Daequan Cook
TPE

2) Bosh Signed for Maximum Contract and Traded to OKC with Belinelli for:
Jeff Green
2010 1st Round Pick
Eric Maynor
Thabo Sefolosha

3) Bosh Signed for the Maximum Contract and Traded with Calderon and Belinelli for
A Signed and Traded David Lee
Eddy Curry
Wilson Chandler
2011 2nd Round Pick

Personally I would HATE to see CB4 leave but if it comes down to it--I prefer scenerio number 3.
We get a legit big man to put next to Bargs and a good SF in Chandler along with money in 2011. The only problem will be to somehow get rid of Turk's contract

Lee is a legit big man? Since when? He only works if you have a defensive bruiser at the other position down low.

You can't put him next to Andrea. How many ways can you say disaster?

[Kreamy]

We're not going to get better talent back for Bosh so settling for lesser pieces to add to the collection of overpaid misfits we already have would pretty much bury us for the next 3-4 years. I'd much rather we use Bosh to get picks and gain flexibility at this point - that means using him to dump Hedo's contract. I think Houston is one of the few teams that can accommodate that. I suggested this in multiple other threads but something like Bosh and Hedo to Rockets for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hayes, Andersen and the Knicks' picks works. We start rebuilding right with a core of Bargnani, Derozan, Jack etc., a couple of potential lottery picks over the next 2 years, and a ton of cap flexibility going forward. The Rockets add Bosh and Hedo to a core of Yao, Martin, Brooks, Scola, Hill, Budinger and their lottery pick this year.

[_MidNight_]

I'm thinking something surrounding OKC and Jeff Green (hopefully Russell Westbrook though). I can see Chris being smart enough to realize being second fiddle to KD and winning games at a prolific pace would not be that bad. To me, Jeff Green is not enough though, he's not even close to Chris' level, more of a role player imo. Westbrook is that point guard that could reak havoc in the East at the level of Rose and Rondo imo.

I like the way you're thinking. Imo OKC is one of if not the best trading partners we can hope for when it comes to trading Bosh, they've got a glut of young talent we can rebuild on the fly and still remain competitive in the eastern conference. I also wouldn't mind doing a deal with Portland as well.

[So Clutch]

We're not going to get better talent back for Bosh so settling for lesser pieces to add to the collection of overpaid misfits we already have would pretty much bury us for the next 3-4 years. I'd much rather we use Bosh to get picks and gain flexibility at this point, That means using him to dump Hedo's contract. I think Houston is one of the few teams that can accommodate that. I suggested this in multiple other threads but something like Bosh and Hedo to Rockets for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hayes, Andersen and the Knicks' picks works. We start rebuilding right with a core of Bargnani, Derozan, Jack etc., a couple of potential lottery picks over the next 2 years, and a ton of cap flexibility going forward. The Rockets add Bosh and Hedo to a core of Yao, Martin, Brooks, Scola, Hill, Budinger and their lottery pick this year.

I like.

[Son Goku 25]

If we know that bosh won't be returning, is it possible we can send a package of jose,bosh and someone else to the bucks for jennings, bogut.
we would get a legit Center, keep bargs at the pf and have jennings run point guard(it doesn't hurt that derozan and him are pretty good friends).
Just a thought

[Rapsobsessed7]

Please keep the sign and trade deals as realistic as possible because this could turn into a very real situation in a few months.

If some people with a bit more NBA insight could enlighten us, what exactly is a realistic return to expect? Some people on here (mostly on the general board) have been saying that we don't really have leverage in our negotiations for Bosh. I know Minny got Al Jeff and garbage for Garnett in a TRADE and not a sign and trade, so is it realistic to expect much less?

Educate, please.

its more like what Orlando got for T-Mac (Steve Francis, ect) but all ESPN writers have said well get back young assets in a S&T this summer (when they were talking about Bosh trade at the deadline)

again Bulls offered Deng + Noah at the deadline (from their top insider) so many of us laughed at it but now id really do it in the summer. With Deng being out for the season it will be easy to get him included IMO.

[A_wildstabatanything]

First team willing to eat Hedo's contract can have him.

[Ripp]

Can someone give the reasoning for teams way under the cap (Miami) to S&T rather than outright sign him? Thx.

It will be interesting to see what he decides. BTW, I'm not convinced that the obvious teams (Miami, Chicago and NY) are the only possible threats.

I just noticed...there is at least one 2010 cap space teams (Washington) which is not going to be a player this summer. If Bosh hypothetically preferred the 5 year contract to the 6 year S/T and wants to go to a non cap-space team (e.g., Rockets), an intelligent GM like Morey could come up with a pretty interesting deal that has CB end up with the Rockets via a Washington S/T.

Wizards might be willing to do this for some combination of 2011 expirings, cash, and maybe as little as a single pick. The benefit of this sort of deal for the Rockets is that they give up basically nothing, while retaining the rights to valuable assets like Scola, Brooks, Ariza, Battier, etc.

Of course, all of this is highly dependent on Bosh preferring the 5 year deal to the 6 year deal. Who knows what his thought process will be...there are arguments to be made for both deals. If he strongly prefers the guaranteed money of the 6 year deal, then he will probably do a S/T. But he can take a bit of a larger risk while increasing his long-term earnings by doing the 5 year deal.

Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[Hobo Gonzolez]

I want to make a point about 2010 draft picks and sign and trades. We cannot start negotiating a sign and trade until after July 1st, which is after the draft. That means that, for example, trading with Miami for our pick back is not really an option. We would trade for the player Miami drafted, which may not be the player that we would want at the location. Therefore, it loses a lot of it's value.

[J Dilla]

Bosh signed and traded to Washington for:

Cash, Nick Young, Al Thornton, and Andray Blatche

[Dr Octagon]

Bosh S&T to New York for Curry, Gallo, 1st rounder

[David_Robinson]

Kreamy wrote:
We're not going to get better talent back for Bosh so settling for lesser pieces to add to the collection of overpaid misfits we already have would pretty much bury us for the next 3-4 years. I'd much rather we use Bosh to get picks and gain flexibility at this point, That means using him to dump Hedo's contract. I think Houston is one of the few teams that can accommodate that. I suggested this in multiple other threads but something like Bosh and Hedo to Rockets for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hayes, Andersen and the Knicks' picks works. We start rebuilding right with a core of Bargnani, Derozan, Jack etc., a couple of potential lottery picks over the next 2 years, and a ton of cap flexibility going forward. The Rockets add Bosh and Hedo to a core of Yao, Martin, Brooks, Scola, Hill, Budinger and their lottery pick this year.

I like this trade a lot. Houston BY FAR present the best sign an trade scenarios for the Raps and Bosh would like to got to Houston because he could be the number 1 (Yao may never be the same) and would be in back home in Texas. We could get great 1st round picks to rebuild with from Houston (picks from NY trade), and the right wing player in Ariza and nice role players like battier and hayes. I like the trade Kreamy proposed where we also get rid Hedo (I think Houst. would take Hedo to get Bosh) which I think we must do in a bosh sign and trade in order to truly be able to rebuild. The deal works for both sides and gives hope for a proper rebuild and a bright future for the Raptors.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm guessing the deal will be

Miami gets
Bosh 126 mil S&T

Toronto gets
Toronto 2010 1st
Miami 2010 1st (I could see them squeezing us and making it the 2011 pick, though)
James Jones
Daequon Cook
TPE

Miami gives 2 picks but also clears 4 mil in capspace. We can possibly package our two 14-20 picks into a top 10 one or just pick two players.

This one makes no sense, unless BC wants to run around town with donkey ears and a "kick me" sign on his back. He'd just let Bosh walk.

[Hobo Gonzolez]

I'm guessing the deal will be

Miami gets
Bosh 126 mil S&T

Toronto gets
Toronto 2010 1st
Miami 2010 1st (I could see them squeezing us and making it the 2011 pick, though)
James Jones
Daequon Cook
TPE

Miami gives 2 picks but also clears 4 mil in capspace. We can possibly package our two 14-20 picks into a top 10 one or just pick two players.

This one makes no sense, unless BC wants to run around town with donkey ears and a "kick me" sign on his back. He'd just let Bosh walk.

And doing that gets us where?

[Courtside]

First team willing to eat Hedo's contract can have him.

THIS.

[Dr Octagon]

First team willing to eat Hedo's contract can have him.

THIS.

Bosh decides where he goes.

[Zeno]

I have a feeling San Antonio might make a run at Bosh in an attempt to kind of go full circle with Duncan playing the role of David Robinson and Bosh as a young Duncan.

Bosh and Calderon for Parker and Jefferson.

It can be thought of as in two parts....

Bosh for Parker and Calderon for Jefferson (a massive expiring).

[So Clutch]

I'm guessing the deal will be

Miami gets
Bosh 126 mil S&T

Toronto gets
Toronto 2010 1st
Miami 2010 1st (I could see them squeezing us and making it the 2011 pick, though)
James Jones
Daequon Cook
TPE

Miami gives 2 picks but also clears 4 mil in capspace. We can possibly package our two 14-20 picks into a top 10 one or just pick two players.

This one makes no sense, unless BC wants to run around town with donkey ears and a "kick me" sign on his back. He'd just let Bosh walk.

By letting him walk, you get 0 picks, 0 young players, 0 expiring contracts, not enough cap room to sign anyone useful, etc. Letting him walk is the worst thing that could happen

[joshgc]

I can't believe three years flew that fast. I was ecstatic when bosh signed that contract. Well, this post feels like someone punched my stomach:(. I don't want bosh gone or to imagine any ideas to sign and trade him.