DeMar DeRozan's Defense
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Exactly how bad is DeMar's defense? According to basketball-reference his defensive rating is 114 which is pretty bad if I'm not mistaken . Why do you guys think he is lacking in that department? Is it because of lack of effort? Maybe he just doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of his man? Or because of inexperience? Do you guys see him improving in that area in the near future or will that always be a weak part of his game?
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Part of it is inexperience, part of it is him going up against the the bestr player on other teams most nights. A lot of it is also weak help D around him ie Jose bargs and until recently at the SF
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Effort has never been a problem with Demar, it's mainly experience and improving his physique.
He has already shown a spike in his D in Jan/Feb and now it's about doing it for an entire season.
Personally, I think he'll be fine.
The one thing I want him to do though is since he likes to get up on his man aggressively, he needs to improve his speed on recoveries because sometimes he just gives up straight lines. I think he'll learn with more reps under his belt.
By the end of season 3 or the beginning of year 4 we should have a better idea of the type of defender he'll become. At the very least, I don't see any reason he can't become an average defender at the SG spot.
He has already shown a spike in his D in Jan/Feb and now it's about doing it for an entire season.
Personally, I think he'll be fine.
The one thing I want him to do though is since he likes to get up on his man aggressively, he needs to improve his speed on recoveries because sometimes he just gives up straight lines. I think he'll learn with more reps under his belt.
By the end of season 3 or the beginning of year 4 we should have a better idea of the type of defender he'll become. At the very least, I don't see any reason he can't become an average defender at the SG spot.
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there are many factors that could contribute to a poor rating... in demars case i believe his poor rating is due to:
1. lack of experience... as he gains more and more experience he will learn what opposing players like to do.. we know he is a student of the game so he will study tape.
2. bad defensive system.. or in this case none at all.
3. lack of interior presence... with a real C anchoring the paint, wing players are able to direct their man into a shot blocker. and with our lack of real C's, this is hard for us to do. in this league, there are many players who u just cant keep in front of you.. period. kobe, wade, ellis etc. you need that C to cover up mistakes.
we know demar is too athletic and hard working to not improve on his rating.
1. lack of experience... as he gains more and more experience he will learn what opposing players like to do.. we know he is a student of the game so he will study tape.
2. bad defensive system.. or in this case none at all.
3. lack of interior presence... with a real C anchoring the paint, wing players are able to direct their man into a shot blocker. and with our lack of real C's, this is hard for us to do. in this league, there are many players who u just cant keep in front of you.. period. kobe, wade, ellis etc. you need that C to cover up mistakes.
we know demar is too athletic and hard working to not improve on his rating.
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Hedo is a better defender then Demar with those stats...Thanks to Howard he makes Hedo a Defensive specialist.
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This is very concerning. Maybe he needs one more year? Maybe it's because our weak coaching and management aren't preaching D?
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I just revealed his Synergy d-stats breakdown here:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1102101&start=150
And also provided an elite defensive comparison for frame of reference in Andre Iguodala.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1102101&start=150
And also provided an elite defensive comparison for frame of reference in Andre Iguodala.
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A coaching change will fix it.
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UssjTrunks wrote:A coaching change will fix it.
Considering his effort level, work ethic and willingness to learn, this is one case where I can see a coaching change making a substantial difference.
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More of a team defense problem and rotation thing.
We play better when we are in the zone, then you know we are not doing a lot of things together.
Help defense is not there, and you have another guard who cannot cover his own man.
DeRozan is alright, but he doesn't have the quickness/footwork and the experience needed to be an elite defender. We require Wright to do the lock down/dirty work, but we really can't give up neither Jose and DeRozan on the offense.
We play better when we are in the zone, then you know we are not doing a lot of things together.
Help defense is not there, and you have another guard who cannot cover his own man.
DeRozan is alright, but he doesn't have the quickness/footwork and the experience needed to be an elite defender. We require Wright to do the lock down/dirty work, but we really can't give up neither Jose and DeRozan on the offense.
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I would like to see if there's been a difference in our team defense since acquiring and starting James Johnson. It appears like our help D has improved somewhat since he's joined the team. Of course that could be completely skewed by the Warriors game.
With DeMar, I don't think it's lack of effort, I think it has to do with inexperience and coaching. I think a lot of the lapses I see with him have to do with him getting caught on screens, and sometimes he plays his man up too close (like when he's glued to a guy who's behind the 3pt line).
That's one of the main reasons I'm hoping we can bring in a coach that can help improve our players' individual and team defense. It's more than just having a defensive system, it's also about the nuances of executing said defense on an individual and team level, which is something I really get the feeling is outside of Triano's focus (or perhaps abilities) as a coach.
With DeMar, I don't think it's lack of effort, I think it has to do with inexperience and coaching. I think a lot of the lapses I see with him have to do with him getting caught on screens, and sometimes he plays his man up too close (like when he's glued to a guy who's behind the 3pt line).
That's one of the main reasons I'm hoping we can bring in a coach that can help improve our players' individual and team defense. It's more than just having a defensive system, it's also about the nuances of executing said defense on an individual and team level, which is something I really get the feeling is outside of Triano's focus (or perhaps abilities) as a coach.
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I dont think he has the athleticism or the physical tools to be an elite defender, but with experience, practice and better coaching, there's no reason why he can't be at least a decent one IMO
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5DOM wrote:I dont think he has the athleticism or the physical tools to be an elite defender, but with experience, practice and better coaching, there's no reason why he can't be at least a decent one IMO
This but like you said he should be a passable defender at his position with a couple more years of seasoning.
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5DOM wrote:I dont think he has the athleticism or the physical tools to be an elite defender, but with experience, practice and better coaching, there's no reason why he can't be at least a decent one IMO
eh, not sure about that, look back on some of the better wing defenders in the league recently and none of them really have crazy athleticism or physical tools. Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier, Ron Artest, Kobe Bryant, etc. I don't see Demar being any less athletic than any of them and physically he's not much different than any of them.
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Throwback24 wrote:5DOM wrote:I dont think he has the athleticism or the physical tools to be an elite defender, but with experience, practice and better coaching, there's no reason why he can't be at least a decent one IMO
This but like you said he should be a passable defender at his position with a couple more years of seasoning.
Slightly above average, I would say. He needs to improve his `quick hands` and `hand on the face` type of crafty stuff.
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I don't know. His quickness (especially his lateral quickness which is probably the most important) looks average at best and he doesn't really have great length. But like I said, perhaps with more experience and better coaching, he can maximize his potential
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Well, he could be like Jason Richardson and just never become that good on the defensive end.
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Alfred wrote:Well, he could be like Jason Richardson and just never become that good on the defensive end.
while this may be true, his hard working nature seperates him from richardson.. and this may be the reason why he might end up a better defender.
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- very bad footwork/spacing/positioning/angling of body. He needs to look at himself on game tape and adjust the way he defends.
- He doesn't react and move his feet fast enough. Once he gets blown by, he can't keep up using his lateral speed.
- Not the greatest at fighting through screens.
- Seems to defend flat footed with his body weight spread evenly over his feet. His weight should be on the balls of his feet.
I was disappointed watching him in summer league when I heard from fans that he may be adequate defensively.
- He doesn't react and move his feet fast enough. Once he gets blown by, he can't keep up using his lateral speed.
- Not the greatest at fighting through screens.
- Seems to defend flat footed with his body weight spread evenly over his feet. His weight should be on the balls of his feet.
I was disappointed watching him in summer league when I heard from fans that he may be adequate defensively.
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you take DD, pair him with Calderon in your frontcourt. add to that Bargs as your defensive anchor and its a desaster waiting to happen.
I still do not understand the logic of BC... trying to cover the defensive deficiencies of "his main scorer" by pairing him with a defensive, but much smaller PF and with zero defense from the perimeter.
a good team has to have at least a good frontcourt and a good backcourt defender. the more I think about NOH, the more it would be a perfect fit for Bargs. Next to Okafor and with Ariza at the perimeter who's a defensive specialist.
I still do not understand the logic of BC... trying to cover the defensive deficiencies of "his main scorer" by pairing him with a defensive, but much smaller PF and with zero defense from the perimeter.
a good team has to have at least a good frontcourt and a good backcourt defender. the more I think about NOH, the more it would be a perfect fit for Bargs. Next to Okafor and with Ariza at the perimeter who's a defensive specialist.