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Post#1 list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:39 am by agentzero2010

Rank Team Current Value ($mil) 1-Yr Value Change (%) Debt/Value (%) Revenue ($mil) Operating Income ($mil)
1 New York Knicks 655 12 0 226 64.0
2 Los Angeles Lakers 643 6 19 214 33.4
3 Chicago Bulls 511 0 11 169 51.3
4 Boston Celtics 452 5 40 151 4.2
5 Houston Rockets 443 -6 16 153 35.9
6 Dallas Mavericks 438 -2 46 146 -7.8
7 Miami Heat 425 17 38 124 -5.9
8 Phoenix Suns 411 -4 45 147 20.4
9 San Antonio Spurs 404 1 10 135 -4.7
10 Toronto Raptors 399 3 34 138 25.3
11 Orlando Magic 385 6 29 108 -23.1
12 Golden State Warriors 363 15 41 119 14.3
13 Detroit Pistons 360 -25 0 147 31.8
14 Portland Trail Blazers 356 5 30 127 10.7
15 Cleveland Cavaliers 355 -26 56 161 2.6
16 Utah Jazz 343 0 5 121 -3.9
17 Philadelphia 76ers 330 -4 23 110 -1.2
18 Oklahoma City Thunder 329 6 43 118 22.6
19 Washington Wizards 322 3 40 107 -5.2
20 Denver Nuggets 316 -2 9 113 -11.7
21 New Jersey Nets 312 16 224 89 -10.2
22 Los Angeles Clippers 305 3 0 102 11.0
23 Atlanta Hawks 295 -4 63 105 -7.3
24 Sacramento Kings 293 -4 32 103 -9.8
25 Charlotte Bobcats 281 1 53 98 -20.0
26 New Orleans Hornets 280 5 69 100 -5.9
27 Indiana Pacers 269 -4 56 95 -16.9
28 Memphis Grizzlies 266 4 56 92 -2.6
29 Minnesota Timberwolves 264 -1 19 95 -6.7
30 Milwaukee Bucks 258 2 21 92 -2.0

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/32/bas ... _land.html

the raptors rank 10th in team revenue but 6th in operating income which means we are one of the more profitable teams in the league..others surprisng numbers are the negative operating income of the heat and the mavericks..alsothe knicks made the most money with 64 million followed by the bulls with 51 million...and the biggest stunner of all..the magic lost the most money with a negative 23 million operating income, you can bet superman wont be returning to orlando after next season..(assuming that we have one)
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Post#2 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:08 am by Centre Court

The NBA players association will love these numbers. Doesn't look like a league that's losing $300 million+ per year.
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Post#3 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:11 am by RaptorReloaded

Our **** team is top ten in profit!? Imagine if we were ever a legit contender.. Would we break top 5?
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Post#4 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:19 am by theSkinny

We have pretty high ticket prices, and a lowish salary overall so I a really not surprised.

Miami can't get people in their seats so being a losing value team does not surprise me either.
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Post#5 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:03 pm by arbsn

Raptors have a very good Canada-wide TV deal - each broadcast reaches 33 million people whereas a team like the Bucks have a reach of 6 million people in Wisconsin so unless they get national coverage through TNT or ESPN they have less than a fifth of the potential viewers as the Raptors
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Post#6 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:17 pm by Indeed

More importantly, Canadian dollar is on par with US dollar.
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Post#7 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:38 pm by Lawnmower Man

It's humiliating how Toronto Sports franchises are the worst in North America.

They have everything going for them, yet they still fail.
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Post#8 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:40 pm by Choker

RaptorReloaded wrote:Our **** team is top ten in profit!? Imagine if we were ever a legit contender.. Would we break top 5?


They would need to put us in a whole new economic bracket.
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Post#9 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:41 pm by Choker

Indeed wrote:More importantly, Canadian dollar is on par with US dollar.


Is it really? I've been noticing my Big Mac meals have started to look more Canadian pricing.
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Post#10 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:14 pm by HinduKush

This was already discussed over half a year ago
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1087299

C'mon mods, wake up!
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Post#11 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:10 pm by cookieman

And yet people were still surprised that BC was re-signed...

Many people aren't happy with his basketball record while in Toronto, and with good reason, but let's not pretend this organization isn't well-run. It's pretty plain that the compromise from MLSE to BC became - hire someone to run basketball operations and you keep turning a profit. We can keep you in perpetuity by insulating you from the blame of the on court failures of the team this way, and virtually guarantee continued prosperity at the same time. Sounds like a plan.
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Post#12 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:14 pm by HiteshMOTM

it's mainly because the Raptors are the only canadian team
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Post#13 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:03 pm by ItsDanger

Forbes is a joke. These arent stand-alone operations. Its virtually impossible to determine accurate #'s. Operating income doesnt include various expenses incurred.
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Post#14 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:33 pm by Waylon Mercy

cookieman wrote:And yet people were still surprised that BC was re-signed...

Many people aren't happy with his basketball record while in Toronto, and with good reason, but let's not pretend this organization isn't well-run. It's pretty plain that the compromise from MLSE to BC became - hire someone to run basketball operations and you keep turning a profit. We can keep you in perpetuity by insulating you from the blame of the on court failures of the team this way, and virtually guarantee continued prosperity at the same time. Sounds like a plan.


Colangelo has no affect on this.... This franchise has been supported since day 1.

Just like Brian Burke has no affect on the Leafs making a profit. Whether the Leafs or Raps
win or lose people will pay MLSE ticket prices to go to games and they will watch on TV.

Both Colangelo and Burke spend up to the Salary cap and produce losing teams. You
could replace them with chimps and produce the same results and this market will support
both teams.

Say what you want about MLSE but they know how to run a successful business and they are
benefactors of a huge loyal market with lots of wealthy consumers.
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Post#15 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:37 pm by dagger

Centre Court wrote:The NBA players association will love these numbers. Doesn't look like a league that's losing $300 million+ per year.


Looks like 16 teams had operating losses. And that typical doesn't include interest expense.

In the case of the Raptors, I'm fairly certain they did less well than a year earlier in Canadian dollar terms. The appreciation of the C$ pretty much accounts for the small improvement in US$-denominated revenues.

There were a lot more empty seats at the ACC last season. Prices had been jacked up one more time, but I don't see the benefit being big enough to offset the fall in attendance. And last season, there were deals for every game, so the real per-seat revenue was likely worse than even the attendance would suggest.
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Post#16 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:43 pm by dagger

arbsn wrote:Raptors have a very good Canada-wide TV deal - each broadcast reaches 33 million people whereas a team like the Bucks have a reach of 6 million people in Wisconsin so unless they get national coverage through TNT or ESPN they have less than a fifth of the potential viewers as the Raptors


Listen man, I've tried to goad the local reporters to come up with some numbers on the TV deal. I remain skeptical. Three or four years ago, no network wanted to give a nickel for the rights so the Raptors agreed to guarantee all expenses and take a share of net ad revenue in lieu of rights fees. Until someone tells me about the great rights deal they have, with numbers, I choose not to believe it's that great.

We may be a market of 33 million, but there are no French language Raps broadcasts and the Raptors barely register in English Canadian markets outside of southern Ontario.
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Post#17 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:10 am by from24ft

Not many french language NFL broadcasts in Quebec either, but the league is quite popular even amongst francophones.

If you like basketball, chances are you will watch the NBA. Language does not seem to be a barrier if you are a fan of the sport.


As for the TV rights, I don't want to guess. That said, I know that Raptors traditionally capture a younger demographic. Those sorts of captures mean long term staying power. I will make the bet, that the market is growing as opposed to shrinking. I think like most fresh markets, they require input in order to be harvested later... I think the Raptors are going to be a good harvest in the future and for generations to come.
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Post#18 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:25 am by from24ft

This is old but still contentious.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/7/5/22 ... r-expenses

Silver asserts that according to the data at hand, no, the NBA is not losing money. In fact, it has earned a tidy profit every year since the 1998-99 lockout, to tune of about 7 percent annually. We wrote about Silver's study in our burgeoning NBA lockout StoryStream, but something in particular stuck out and, I felt, was worth investigating.

It is the mystery meat known as "other expenses."

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Silver notes that while player salary has kept pace with league revenues -- as is designed into the now-expired collective bargaining agreement that was agreed to in 1999 and essentially re-upped with tweaks in 2005 -- non-payroll expenses have skyrocketed.

Growth in non-player expenses has outpaced that of salaries, having increased by 13 percent over five years and 43 percent over 10 years. Although some of this undoubtedly reflects sound business ventures, like the league's investments in digital media or efforts to expand the game internationally, they have nevertheless had a reasonably large effect on the league's bottom line. Had nonplayer expenses been the same in 2009-10 as they were in 1999-2000 (adjusted for inflation), the league would have made a record profit that year.

Well, then! But what are these other expenses? We're checking with the league, but common sense would say that travel, equipment, coach and front office salaries, advertising and digital and global initiatives are included. Arena leases or mortgages might be in there too, though given that many franchises own and operate their own gyms, that could get tricky. Again: we're checking with the league to see what sort of expenses can be included here.

Maybe that will explain the odd spikes in "other expenses" over the past 10 years. I graphed the data Silver compiled and adjusted. "Other expenses" are in blue. Click to enlarge.

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Twice have "other expenses" grew more than 10 percent in the past 10 years: 10.4 percent in 2002 and 16.3 percent in 2005. It also bizarrely dropped almost 8 percent in 2003. Why? What's going on here?
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Post#19 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:11 am by ItsDanger

The less detail that numbers provide the more suspect they become. Virtually all of the data given through various sources are vague with no specifics.
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Post#20 Re: list of nba team 2011 revenues
Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:20 pm by Hendrix

I wonder if Toronto is done using IFRS, where the rest of the league is done following US GAAP?
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