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Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#1 » by pg16kid » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:23 pm

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Lowry can jack up as many shots as he wants. Nobody else on the team is even close to his talent level.


lol... that's such a fanboy mentality. i like lowry. jacking up stupid shots isn't gonna win you games. in order for this team as it's built to work, bargnani needs to be established as the go-to guy like he was last year. because when it's just lowry running the show, he ends up just drifting around. last game bargnani forced 15 shots and this game he only took 12. he's not being established. as this team is built, it only makes sense to establish bargnani early and get him going. if he's cold, then you move on to other options. but if he starts getting hot and getting double teamed it opens up everything for everyone else and that's when you'll start to see this team at it's best.

the roles aren't properly defined right now, but imo you'll start seeing this team hit their groove when this starts happening. as it is right now, this team is gonna continue to lose close games. they have the talent and they're pretty close to being a good team. not elite or anything, just good. they just need to chill out a bit offensively and define roles. they can't just keep going free for fall on offense.

also no more john lucas, alan anderson and aaron gray.


That is a good quote

I think Bargs is not being used properly!

He's getting the ball in the 3pt line when he really should be getting the ball in the mid-post area! This system is NOT WORKING for Bargs!
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#2 » by nahom1319 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:27 pm

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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#3 » by Neutral 123 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:29 pm

Think of all the energy he'll save for defense!!
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#4 » by KG1585 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:29 pm

Bargs has the worst offensive rating and defensive rating on the team. He has no excuse for his struggles.
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#5 » by Black Milk » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:39 pm

He sucks?
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Post#6 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:40 pm

KG1585 wrote:Bargs has the worst offensive rating and defensive rating on the team. He has no excuse for his struggles.


Not true.
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Post#7 » by Coach Smiley » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:41 pm

this isn't going to end well
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#8 » by CanadaB-Ball » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:42 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
KG1585 wrote:Bargs has the worst offensive rating and defensive rating on the team. He has no excuse for his struggles.


Not true.


Absolutely brilliant response.

Way to prove the doubters wrong! :roll:
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#9 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:52 pm

CanadaB-Ball wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:
KG1585 wrote:Bargs has the worst offensive rating and defensive rating on the team. He has no excuse for his struggles.


Not true.


Absolutely brilliant response.

Way to prove the doubters wrong! :roll:




Landry has the worst ORTG( Bargs 88, JVal 93, Jose 101)
Calderone has the worst DRTG (Bargs 109, DD 108, Fields 108)

Better?
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#10 » by CanadaB-Ball » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:53 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
CanadaB-Ball wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Not true.


Absolutely brilliant response.

Way to prove the doubters wrong! :roll:




Landry has the worst ORTG( Bargs 88, JVal 93, Jose 101)
Calderone has the worst DRTG (Bargs 109, DD 108, Fields 108)

Better?


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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#11 » by dagger » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:54 pm

CanadaB-Ball wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:
KG1585 wrote:Bargs has the worst offensive rating and defensive rating on the team. He has no excuse for his struggles.


Not true.


Absolutely brilliant response.

Way to prove the doubters wrong! :roll:


Bargnani is one of three starters to have a positive - above 15 - Hollinger PER. He's barely above the line, but he is above the league average. Fields, on the other hand, has a PER just over 1. Jonas has a PER of 10. All the subs except Ed are below 15. Only Jose is close to 15. The rest are in low single digits which is awful, and helps explain why we are 0-2

The good news is that DeMar is in positive territory for once and Lowry's PER is off the charts.
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#12 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:56 pm

Lowry has a ridiculous per right now.
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Post#13 » by KDtdot35 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:59 pm

Bargnani is suppose to be the **** star and franchise player for this team, is he not?
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#14 » by overdose » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:00 pm

KDtdot35 wrote:Bargnani is suppose to be the **** star and franchise player for this team, is he not?



He's not.
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Post#15 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:01 pm

KDtdot35 wrote:Bargnani is suppose to be the **** star and franchise player for this team, is he not?


Probably Derozan, he gets introduced last and made the opening speech before the first game.

Should be Lowry though. EASILY
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#16 » by Kahn_2001 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:02 pm

This punk makes Vince Carter look like reggie evans in terms of hustling. He just doesn't give a **** about anything and is sleep walking on the court. He knows no one will do anything about it and continues to be an awful player and keeps hurting the team. BC will hopefully be fired after this year and we wont have to deal with his garbage signings anymore.
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#17 » by Geddy » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:24 pm

So from what I understand is that Bargnani should just be given the ball every possession in order to be utilized properly. He should not worry about getting in the paint, establishing position, setting screens etc.

How much more can this team coddle this guy?
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#18 » by Yoga » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:27 pm

overdose wrote:
KDtdot35 wrote:Bargnani is suppose to be the **** star and franchise player for this team, is he not?



He's not.


Bargs is a 6th man on a playoff team....definitely not a franchise player. Its time to hand over the keys to the franchise to Jonas V
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#19 » by MagnusPinus » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:30 pm

He is clearly struggling with the offensive disposition.. He is not getting involved in the offensive schemes(that is a bit anarchy at the moment).. Don't know if is Lowry taking too much responsibility, Derozan getting lots of shots or Valanciunas occupying his spaces.. All I know i can see he is not getting touches, and when he gets the ball he is rushing it, while defensively and on rebounds he looks disinterested.. If he is not involved offensively he is pretty much useless.
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Re: Reason for Barg's Struggles 

Post#20 » by AB+JV » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:47 pm

MagnusPinus wrote:He is clearly struggling with the offensive disposition.. He is not getting involved in the offensive schemes(that is a bit anarchy at the moment).. Don't know if is Lowry taking too much responsibility, Derozan getting lots of shots or Valanciunas occupying his spaces.. All I know i can see he is not getting touches, and when he gets the ball he is rushing it, while defensively and on rebounds he looks disinterested.. If he is not involved offensively he is pretty much useless.


Bingo

How do you expect him to be productive if he only took 12 shots last night, only 6 in the second half.

I would like to see him position himself more in the post and try to get to the line like he did vs the pacers.

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