yardbarker

Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread

Moderators: tsherkin, Yuri Vaultin, Undefeated, DG88, Rhettmatic, Alfred, FluLikeSymptoms, itbobby007, Morris_Shatford

Post#406 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:07 pm by TheGoodDoctor

UssjTrunks wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:No one is denying that.

The point is we're delusional if we think our team is realistically going to be in position to draft Wiggins.


Why?

A smart GM would hold a firesale and get rid of most of our veterans, ensuring that we win as few games as possible.

It's unrealistic to expect because our GM is a moron, but if we were properly run, you can bet that we would be doing everything in our power to win that first pick next year.


That's exactly the point.
#MLSEHIRETZ ------ HOLD UP, HOLD UP-------#WETHENORTH.
Image
TheGoodDoctor

Head Coach
User avatar
Posts: 6,073
And1: 3,967
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
Location: Jurassic Park
Top

Post#407 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:33 pm by joseph235

BC would probably draft Parker with the first pick anyways thats how dumb he is.
joseph235




Sixth Man
Posts: 1,531
And1: 1,599
Joined: Mar 11, 2012
Top

Post#408 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:25 pm by Snakeyes

So, are we still a few pieces away from "making noise" in the playoffs, you guys?
Image
Snakeyes



Rookie
Posts: 1,168
And1: 193
Joined: May 17, 2010
Top

Post#409 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:42 am by carl_english

We need to blow this team up and get a top 3 pick in 2014! The team's performance for the next decade depends on it!!!
carl_english
Head Coach
User avatar
Posts: 6,062
And1: 1,909
Joined: Jun 6, 2011
Top

Post#410 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:02 pm by DG88

Andrew Wiggins is on ESPN right now at the Hoophall Classic going against Noah Vonleh
Image
Dwane Casey: "We put Andrea in to matchup with Luke Walton and for rebounding"
:rofl:
DG88



Forum Mod - Raptors
Forum Mod - Raptors
User avatar
Posts: 26,260
And1: 6,589
Joined: Jul 25, 2008
Location: You don't know my location but I know yours
Top

Post#411 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:03 pm by JunkYardSubs

carl_english wrote:We need to blow this team up and get a top 3 pick in 2014! The team's performance for the next decade depends on it!!!
Image
JunkYardSubs
General Manager
User avatar
Posts: 9,814
And1: 146
Joined: Apr 23, 2011
Top

Post#412 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:05 pm by fredericklove

DG88 wrote:Andrew Wiggins is on ESPN right now at the Hoophall Classic going against Noah Vonleh


Tell me the result or game recap if you're watching this.
fredericklove



Banned User
Posts: 24,573
And1: 6,385
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
Location: Toronto Raptors Playoffs Trauma Treatment Center
Top

Post#413 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:10 pm by DG88

fredericklove wrote:
DG88 wrote:Andrew Wiggins is on ESPN right now at the Hoophall Classic going against Noah Vonleh


Tell me the result or game recap if you're watching this.

Watching it right now. Wiggins already got Vonleh in foul trouble
Image
Dwane Casey: "We put Andrea in to matchup with Luke Walton and for rebounding"
:rofl:
DG88



Forum Mod - Raptors
Forum Mod - Raptors
User avatar
Posts: 26,260
And1: 6,589
Joined: Jul 25, 2008
Location: You don't know my location but I know yours
Top

Post#414 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:02 pm by fredericklove

DG88 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
DG88 wrote:Andrew Wiggins is on ESPN right now at the Hoophall Classic going against Noah Vonleh


Tell me the result or game recap if you're watching this.

Watching it right now. Wiggins already got Vonleh in foul trouble


That's great, I'm assuming Wiggins' physicality is too much for Vonleh's skinny build to handle. Do a game recap for me at the end wiill ya, much appreciated.
fredericklove



Banned User
Posts: 24,573
And1: 6,385
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
Location: Toronto Raptors Playoffs Trauma Treatment Center
Top

Post#415 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:03 am by beanbag

UssjTrunks wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:No one is denying that.

The point is we're delusional if we think our team is realistically going to be in position to draft Wiggins.


Why?

A smart GM would hold a firesale and get rid of most of our veterans, ensuring that we win as few games as possible.

It's unrealistic to expect because our GM is a moron, but if we were properly run, you can bet that we would be doing everything in our power to win that first pick next year.


I'm interested in the specifics of said firesale. I'm seriously curious, who are we giving away and for what back, and why does the other team accept the trade?
beanbag
Senior
Posts: 653
And1: 136
Joined: Apr 6, 2012
Top

Post#416 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:21 am by Aventador

we should rip ourselves off like no tmrw as long as there is a first round pick coming back. That's a firesale
Aventador
Lead Assistant
User avatar
Posts: 5,840
And1: 342
Joined: Dec 21, 2004
Top

Post#417 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:52 am by Landomar

Keep Valanciunas, Davis, and Ross.

Trade anything else for as many 2014 picks as possible. Take back bad contracts if necessary.

Make sure Valanciunas, Davis, and Ross are surrounded by absolute garbage next season. Try to be as bad as possible.

Use the 2014 draft as a launching pad to greatness.

Profit.
Landomar
Pro Prospect
Posts: 915
And1: 104
Joined: Jun 15, 2004
Top

Post#418 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:41 am by beanbag

Landomar wrote:Keep Valanciunas, Davis, and Ross.

Trade anything else for as many 2014 picks as possible. Take back bad contracts if necessary.

Make sure Valanciunas, Davis, and Ross are surrounded by absolute garbage next season. Try to be as bad as possible.

Use the 2014 draft as a launching pad to greatness.

Profit.


Again though, specifically what are the deals?
beanbag
Senior
Posts: 653
And1: 136
Joined: Apr 6, 2012
Top

Post#419 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:24 am by LascelleL

BRING OUR BOY HOME!
RAPTORS DRAFT WIGGINS
Sinant wrote:I treat the Phoenix/Cleveland/Boston Shaqs like I do Wizards MJ.
Never happened.

^^^^So True

Image
LascelleL





Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,246
And1: 93
Joined: Jan 12, 2010
Location: Toronto
Top

Post#420 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:41 pm by arbsn

beanbag wrote:
Landomar wrote:Keep Valanciunas, Davis, and Ross.

Trade anything else for as many 2014 picks as possible. Take back bad contracts if necessary.

Make sure Valanciunas, Davis, and Ross are surrounded by absolute garbage next season. Try to be as bad as possible.

Use the 2014 draft as a launching pad to greatness.

Profit.


Again though, specifically what are the deals?



This.

The only player we have - that is not named Jonas Valanciunas - who is worth a lottery pick is Kyle Lowry. And we already traded a lottery pick for him.

I could see a possible Sacto/Seattle trade for them to get competitive... Maybe they would give us their 2014 pick and a bad contract (Salmons) for Lowry and Ed Davis

Really though, we have nothing strong to offer outside of Valanciunas
arbsn
Starter
User avatar
Posts: 2,112
And1: 263
Joined: Feb 3, 2011
Top

Post#421 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:37 pm by DG88

fredericklove wrote:That's great, I'm assuming Wiggins' physicality is too much for Vonleh's skinny build to handle. Do a game recap for me at the end wiill ya, much appreciated.

Yup Vonleh was on Wiggins to start off and got 2 quick fouls in the first few minutes. The first was a bailout fouling Wiggins on a late shot clock 3 point attempt and the other was fouling him on a Wiggins drive. Wiggins pretty much own him physically throughout the game but coach Fulford didn't assign Wiggins on Vonleh to keep him out of foul trouble. New Hampton pretty much zoned the whole game to kill Huntington's fastbreak offense though it didn't limit Wiggins that much since he drew a ton of fouls. There are two things that Wiggins needs to improve on. 1) His jumpshoot needs some refining and that will come with practice. 2) He doesn't show much of a mid range game. He's mainly spot up shooting or driving into the paint.
Image
Dwane Casey: "We put Andrea in to matchup with Luke Walton and for rebounding"
:rofl:
DG88



Forum Mod - Raptors
Forum Mod - Raptors
User avatar
Posts: 26,260
And1: 6,589
Joined: Jul 25, 2008
Location: You don't know my location but I know yours
Top

Post#422 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:22 pm by Scraptor

Well, part of the process has to be trying to figure out who is going to unexpectedly collapse next year. And you also have to think about who's going to want to shed salary.

-The Jazz are going to have a tough time transitioning from Millsap/Jefferson to Favors/Kanter; their moves at the deadline and this offseason will have an impact, but I doubt they'll be able to make a ton of noise in FA.
-Philly is a bit of a mess and I can see them falling apart if Bynum doesn't deliver or walks. But I would think they aren't interested in tanking.
-Phoenix is bad and will likely be bad for a while. I don't know exactly where their heads are at with regards to salary.
-The Grizz want to shed salary for sure.


So then, before this trade deadline:

1. Send Lowry to Utah. This would probably have to be based around Marvin Williams, but take back Marvin (or other salary) plus picks. Hopefully Utah's 2014 and/or the Warriors pick (top 7 protected this year, top 6 next year). The Jazz are in win-now mode for the playoffs and desperately need a PG.

2. Trade Jose and either Demar or Fields to someone looking to shed salary and willing to give up a pick to do so. This could look something like this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdgfaoq
And maybe say we get Minny's pick, and if necessary, Minny gets a future pick from Memphis. This works with Fields out instead of Demar. Whatever needs doing to get picks in our hands. But the essence is packaging Jose plus Demar/Fields for salary + picks.

Then, this offseason:

3. Amnesty Bargnani. $10.75mm space freed up.
4. Send Kleiza's and Gray's $7.3mm in expirings and use the Bargs space for another bad contract (s) plus a pick. Say for Frye and Beasley plus a Suns pick?

Honestly, I haven't done a thorough job here, but if there is a will, there is a way. It would take some creativity and the cooperation of ownership, but it would also take a GM who has no attachment whatsoever to the current roster, one who can objectively assess each player on his (or her) own merits, as the case may be.

The likelihood of any of the picks hitting the jackpot is slim... but why not amass the greatest probability possible?
Scraptor
Lead Assistant
User avatar
Posts: 5,227
And1: 1,727
Joined: Nov 17, 2005
Top

Post#423 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:14 pm by arbsn

Scraptor wrote:Well, part of the process has to be trying to figure out who is going to unexpectedly collapse next year. And you also have to think about who's going to want to shed salary.

-The Jazz are going to have a tough time transitioning from Millsap/Jefferson to Favors/Kanter; their moves at the deadline and this offseason will have an impact, but I doubt they'll be able to make a ton of noise in FA.
-Philly is a bit of a mess and I can see them falling apart if Bynum doesn't deliver or walks. But I would think they aren't interested in tanking.
-Phoenix is bad and will likely be bad for a while. I don't know exactly where their heads are at with regards to salary.
-The Grizz want to shed salary for sure.


So then, before this trade deadline:

1. Send Lowry to Utah. This would probably have to be based around Marvin Williams, but take back Marvin (or other salary) plus picks. Hopefully Utah's 2014 and/or the Warriors pick (top 7 protected this year, top 6 next year). The Jazz are in win-now mode for the playoffs and desperately need a PG.

2. Trade Jose and either Demar or Fields to someone looking to shed salary and willing to give up a pick to do so. This could look something like this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdgfaoq
And maybe say we get Minny's pick, and if necessary, Minny gets a future pick from Memphis. This works with Fields out instead of Demar. Whatever needs doing to get picks in our hands. But the essence is packaging Jose plus Demar/Fields for salary + picks.

Then, this offseason:

3. Amnesty Bargnani. $10.75mm space freed up.
4. Send Kleiza's and Gray's $7.3mm in expirings and use the Bargs space for another bad contract (s) plus a pick. Say for Frye and Beasley plus a Suns pick?

Honestly, I haven't done a thorough job here, but if there is a will, there is a way. It would take some creativity and the cooperation of ownership, but it would also take a GM who has no attachment whatsoever to the current roster, one who can objectively assess each player on his (or her) own merits, as the case may be.

The likelihood of any of the picks hitting the jackpot is slim... but why not amass the greatest probability possible?



Pipe dreams.


Teams don't 'give' away lottery picks for capspace in a year that is supposed to be the best draft since 2003
arbsn
Starter
User avatar
Posts: 2,112
And1: 263
Joined: Feb 3, 2011
Top

Post#424 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:27 pm by Sterling_Archer

Going back to wiggins I agree he needs to refine his shot more he is pretty inconsistent and like said earlier has no real mid range game. What he is great at is attacking the basket and when he needs is asked to he is a very good defender. He needs to work on his shooting as Ina pull up mid range type game coming off screens and then refining his shot so he can consistently hit from deep. Wiggins needs to add these type of elements to his game if he wants to be an elite offensive type player like Durant.
Sterling_Archer
Rookie
Posts: 1,046
And1: 44
Joined: Oct 21, 2012
Top

Post#425 Re: Official Tank for Andrew Wiggins Thread
Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:55 pm by 40 Guzzle

I really hope he chooses UNC, they are on a down year and he can really make his 1 year there special

Ohio State & Florida State would also be great landing spots, both those schools would give him free reign offensively

If he goes with coach Cal he will just be another top prospect spending his 1 year in Lexington, no big deal, just another addition to the chorus of Calipari one & dones
Olde English 800 cause that's my brand / Take it in a bottle, 40, quart, or a can
40 Guzzle



Lead Assistant
User avatar
Posts: 5,906
And1: 110
Joined: Feb 10, 2004
Location: Toronto Distillery
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Toronto Raptors


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: agentzero2010, BangerBrotha, BBall Loyalty, Blast Tyrant, Brew666, Coaltrain, dagger, David-Kornel, dhackett1565, Dino-Might, Dr Comeback, freebird, Gunntros, HeartBreaking, hell_razor, Jay_Hawk, kavan, Local_NG_Idiot, LyNx, mtcan, Raptors Realtor, raptors89, raptorstime, rexamafex, sca, SFour, SharoneWright, shotcaller09, simple_jack, sinoboy, SoFreshSoClean, Spacing, tecumseh18, tylrrr, VanGuard, veezy, wayt, wazabifuzz, Yeezus, ~ TeRRoR SquaD ~