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2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread *Poll Edited*

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Who should the Raptors draft?

Archie Goodwin
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4%
Otto Porter
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7%
CJ McCollum
2
7%
Trey Burke
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21%
Kelly Olynk
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11%
James McAdoo
5
18%
Glenn Robinson
1
4%
Tony Mitchell
2
7%
OTHER
6
21%
Trade Up/Down/Out (Specify)
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Post#166 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:40 pm by Undefeated

jman3134 wrote:It's not because of his handle. It's because he tends to have tunnel vision when he gets in the lane and leaves his feet when passing way too often. Goodwin has elite quickness and athleticism and has shown some serious potential early in the year. This is one of his poorer performances.


Well that, and he has a weak left hand dribble. I remember watching one of his better games against Duke last month while he showed a very explosive first step that's unguaradable it's mostly on straight line drives with a lack of dribble moves. He doesn't have much of a change of direction in his game along with those stutter steps and stride stops to finish at the goal line. A good ball-handler should not be struggling this much against the press.
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Post#167 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:49 pm by jman3134

Undefeated wrote:
jman3134 wrote:It's not because of his handle. It's because he tends to have tunnel vision when he gets in the lane and leaves his feet when passing way too often. Goodwin has elite quickness and athleticism and has shown some serious potential early in the year. This is one of his poorer performances.


Well that, and he has a weak left hand dribble. I remember watching one of his better games against Duke last month while he showed a very explosive first step that's unguaradable it's mostly on straight line drives with a lack of dribble moves. He doesn't have much of a change of direction in his game along with those stutter steps and stride stops to finish at the goal line. A good ball-handler should not be struggling this much against the press.


When he gets double teamed or trapped, he tends to panic. While he does not drive exclusively left often, I have seen him go to it. He has a very nice spin move in the lane as well and he also employs a nice crossover on his drive. He is not purely a straight line slasher, as his crossover allows him to change direction. His hesitation moves are not all there, but he changes pace if he is attacking from the top of the key, which is a start. He also has a Euro step in his game.
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Post#168 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:51 pm by ATLTimekeeper

I'm mostly interested in that first step and athleticism with Goodwin. I don't know much about him, tbh, but I've watched a few games where he effortlessly gets by two defenders and just blows the lay-in. Anyone drafting him would have to believe in his work ethic. Kind of reminds me of Bledsoe's year at UK.
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Post#169 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:51 pm by Mr.Raptorsingh

I've said this before, but Archie Goodwin is the equivalent of a toolsy prospect in baseball. That's kind of the way I think of him. He's got tremendous upside, and is a good kid from what I gather.
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Post#170 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:08 pm by Undefeated

jman3134 wrote:When he gets double teamed or trapped, he tends to panic. While he does not drive exclusively left often, I have seen him go to it. He has a very nice spin move in the lane as well and he also employs a nice crossover on his drive. He is not purely a straight line slasher. His hesitation moves are not all there, but he changes pace if he is attacking from the top of the key, which is a start. He also has a Euro step in his game.


Yeah, I think if Goodwin would trust his left hand more and not think nearly as much how he's going to try and break the press he may not panic as much like he did today and turn the ball over. Once he tightens up that left hand of his he'll be an even more dangerous player in transition and in the half-court once he can learn to play at that lightning quick speed. What I'll say is that his half-spin is very good. It's very, very hard to take off of one foot immediately after gathering the ball and going straight up which he does very well and converts those difficult layups. Too many times players would just stop when they make that half-spin and get stopped in their tracks not being able to elevate as high as they can when they have zero momentum and allowing the defense to recover. The crossover still needs some work. He got picked rather easily today when he tried to do it.

I don't know about the change of pace. I've seen him way too many times running into a brick wall getting whistled for the charge. The change of pace I'm looking for is the ability to play from high-to-low or low-to-high and fast and slow being able to change gears on the fly with those stutter steps and stop-and-go dribbles. This is what I meant by when he plays out-of-control.
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Post#171 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:19 pm by jman3134

Yeah, I'm saying that he only uses the stop and go at the top of the key. And it isn't very often either. Then again, most players with adequate first steps are capable of dribbling at an ordinary speed and then shifting gears at the top of the key.

I think that your expectations are just high if you watch a lot of NBA basketball. There are only a handful of guys at the college level who have the ability to stop and go on a dime. And Goodwin is only a freshman after all.
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Post#172 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:59 pm by Choker

On one hand I hope we land 9th or 10th just to stick it to OKC and give them a bad pick in a weak draft. On the other hand I'm still sort of high on Myck Kabongo, small body and all, and he looks like he can be attained with a non lotto pick.
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Post#173 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:35 pm by bonjovi0308

maybe kabongo wont enter the 2013 draft?
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Post#174 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:10 pm by Undefeated

Michael Carter-Williams might be the best PG in the nation. On pace for a triple-double this game.
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Post#175 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:23 pm by Sterling_Archer

Undefeated wrote:Michael Carter-Williams might be the best PG in the nation. On pace for a triple-double this game.
. I feel like he has a Jason Kidd type game to him not a very good shooter but can basically do everything else well and has some elite size. Kidd also turned himself I to a very good shooter so carter-Williams could be a very interesting player especially since we will be losing Calderon and looking for a backup for the future. I'm not exactly sure how his defence and athleticism are though,
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Post#176 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Tue Jan 1, 2013 1:52 pm by Rapsfan07

I'm liking what I'm seeing from Trey Burke and we're going to need a PG since we lose Calderon this year and it'd be best to cash out on Lowry this year as well at the draft. Burke, Val, Ross and Ed is a pretty good core.
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Post#177 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Tue Jan 1, 2013 2:17 pm by cdel00

Otto Porter.


ROY next year :)
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Post#178 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Tue Jan 1, 2013 7:38 pm by fredericklove

Rapsfan07 wrote:I'm liking what I'm seeing from Trey Burke and we're going to need a PG since we lose Calderon this year and it'd be best to cash out on Lowry this year as well at the draft. Burke, Val, Ross and Ed is a pretty good core.


Burke, Val, Ross, Wiggins/Parker and Ed :D
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Post#179 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Wed Jan 2, 2013 5:02 pm by God Squad

I'd love Goodwin on our team.
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Post#180 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Wed Jan 2, 2013 5:53 pm by Rapsfan07

fredericklove wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:I'm liking what I'm seeing from Trey Burke and we're going to need a PG since we lose Calderon this year and it'd be best to cash out on Lowry this year as well at the draft. Burke, Val, Ross and Ed is a pretty good core.


Burke, Val, Ross, Wiggins/Parker and Ed :D


Hell yeah! Lol Lowry to Utah for picks and draft Burke. Then package Calderon + Bargs/DeRozan + (pick/Ed) for Cousins + Salmons + (Evans)!

Burke
Evans/Ross
Wiggins/Parker
Cousins
Val

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Post#181 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Thu Jan 3, 2013 5:48 pm by God Squad

^^^^ lol
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Post#182 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Thu Jan 3, 2013 7:22 pm by jman3134

I wrote five full length scouting reports for 5 of the top freshmen in the country.

I'll post it here just in case any of you were looking for perspective on these guys.

Marcus Smart
http://bitly.com/VyEMYy

Anthony Bennett
http://bit.ly/TzKFE6

Shabazz Muhammad
http://bit.ly/TzKJnp

Nerlens Noel
http://bit.ly/X4fL68

Archie Goodwin
http://bit.ly/Un8SuD
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Post#183 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:50 am by God Squad

jman3134 wrote:I wrote five full length scouting reports for 5 of the top freshmen in the country.

I'll post it here just in case any of you were looking for perspective on these guys.

Marcus Smart
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22537 ... rcus_Smart

Anthony Bennett
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22530 ... ny_Bennett

Shabazz Muhammad
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22519 ... z_Muhammad

Nerlens Noel
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22515 ... rlens_Noel

Archie Goodwin
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22514 ... ie_Goodwin

Holy sh** i didn't know you wrote those? I've read the Marcus Smart, Goodwin and Noel articles on the main page. Thx for that bud and keep it up.
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Post#184 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:52 am by God Squad

Do we have a favorite yet? Do people really like Shabazz "That much"? I admit I've seen only one UCLA game and it was early on. I wasn't impressed. Came away with the Rivers/Barnes all hype feeling. I for one really like Archie Goodwin and I'm really intrigued with his overall game and potential. I have no clue what his NBA position would be. Point guard i'm guessing? I'll need to see more of him.
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Post#185 Re: 2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread
Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:05 am by ATLTimekeeper

I haven't watched too much, but right now I like:

1) Shabazz
2) Zeller
3) Burke
4) Goodwin
5) Bennett
6) Noel
7) McLemore
8) Porter
9) Adams
10) Len

The top 5 guys I can all see as all-stars down the road. The next five seem like they all could be above average starters.
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