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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#41 » by Rejected » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:41 am

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ForeverTFC wrote:This deserves a thread .. Holly's note points out that the board meeting was Raptors specific. Pretty big deal if so.

It remains unknown what was discussed, who called it or whether the meeting was pre-scheduled. One team source described it as "a quick update" and that it involved team President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo giving the board a briefing on where the team currently stands.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/2012 ... o_raptors/

Thanks to Basketball420 for the scoop, not sure why thread was locked.

It seems that perhaps MLSE does care.


It was a Christmas luncheon where BC gave an informal update on the situation, nothing more.


Don't be naive, what ever was said is not an afterthought at this point. With this state of this team these executives would not be worth their paychecks if they were not considering all the information available carefully. Just because there were not immediate consequences does not mean what ever was said will not factor in down the road, which could be soon all things considered.

These executives understand what a plan is, what assets are, what talent is and how those ingredients need to be managed to achieve success.

This meeting was definitely not just a status update. Status updates are only easy when plans are on track. I think the atmosphere in the building is closer to the truth of the actual tone of the information being exchanged and considered.
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#42 » by Major Giz » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:43 am

So we're mad when they win at the end of last year and now mad that they're tanking.
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#43 » by fatal9 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:43 am

BC giving his usual sales pitch to guys who don't care about or understand basketball. Probably explained the poor record as a combination of close losses, injuries and poor officiating, and threw in something like "no one could have seen this coming, we've just been getting really unlucky and it's still only year 3 of a rebuild". Will probably say that the Nash saga screwed the team over and he did the best he could to fix it.

Not gonna take this as a real positive sign. BC is too good at making excuses and pinning the blame away from himself, especially when he's talking to a bunch of hockey guys who don't understand the game.
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#44 » by Slackstring701 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:44 am

what a **** joke

its no wonder why the raptors are the laughing stock of the nba, and one of the most embarassing franchises in all of pro starts.

we have piss poor ownership, and the single worst gm in the entire league
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Post#45 » by david5773 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:44 am

This was already posted in that other thread though
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#46 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:45 am

"(Casey)'s not pointing the finger, saying it's this person, it's this person," Davis explained. "He's not putting the blame off on people."


Ed with an indirect shot. The players must know that BC's trying to oust Casey.
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#47 » by Slackstring701 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:45 am

not to make any excuses but here's 100 excuses

**** you bc
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#48 » by KnickerBonkerz » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:46 am

fatal9 wrote:BC giving his usual sales pitch to guys who don't care about or understand basketball. Probably explained the poor record as a combination of close losses, injuries and poor officiating, and threw in something like "no one could have seen this coming, we've just been getting really unlucky and it's still only year 3 of a rebuild". Will probably say that the Nash saga screwed the team over and he did the best he could to fix it.

Not gonna take this as a real positive sign. BC is too good at making excuses and pinning the blame away from himself, especially when he's talking to a bunch of hockey guys who don't understand the game.

Let's all jump to a very cynical conclusion after making lots of assumptions!

Come on guys we already knew MLSE isn't going to fire BC... they're letting his contract expire.

Even if they WERE gonna fire him they'll at least give him a chance to make a big trade.
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#49 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:48 am

Slackstring701 wrote:what a **** joke

its no wonder why the raptors are the laughing stock of the nba, and one of the most embarassing franchises in all of pro starts.

we have piss poor ownership, and the single worst gm in the entire league


What are you talking about?

Do you have any concept of how an organization is run, let alone an organization the size of MLSE?

Every single board member sitting in that room is infinitely more knowledgeable than you are on how to run an organization. Making a rash decision, like firing the GM in his last year before having a succession plan in place, is profoundly idiotic.
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Re: Derozan Doesn't Want Casey Fired 

Post#50 » by Phalosopher » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:48 am

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JunkYardSubs wrote:Hmmm, well it really doesn't matter that much if Demar doesn't like it. Casey has shown to be completely incompetent this season. Just because hes being out-dumbed by BC doesn't mean he shouldn't go.


I think you forgot that the last coach who benched Bargnani got canned.

Casey needs to get better...he has to admit to making mistakes that cost some wins and he has to show humility that lessons were learned and will not be repeated....until then every close game may and will end up with the same sorry outcome
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#51 » by Big Shot » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:49 am

Raps should hire a big name coach with winning record as their next head coach. However, the timing is not right to do it now. Wait till the young core players mature a bit and ready to win with an addition of a star player or two, then you do it. Casey is good as a stop gap coach as long as they players still play hard for him.
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#52 » by TheGoodDoctor » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:49 am

Anti-climatic.....a word synonymous with being a Raptor fan.
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#53 » by Green Backpack » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:50 am

Slackstring701 wrote:what a **** joke

its no wonder why the raptors are the laughing stock of the nba, and one of the most embarassing franchises in all of pro starts.

we have piss poor ownership, and the single worst gm in the entire league


Their #1 goal is to make money. Are they making money? Yep!
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#54 » by Phalosopher » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:51 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:Anti-climatic.....a word synonymous with being a Raptor fan.

Anti-climatic...a word synonymous with Toronto
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#55 » by VinBaker6 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:54 am

I don't wanna compare Casey to IMO the best Coach in the league Doc Rivers, but I wanna see what he can do with a half decent roster. He has his rotation issues and doesn't seem to trust young players (same exact thing with Doc back in his Orlando days) but once he gets established players, I think he'll be better. Players wouldn't back coach like that a midst a losing season like DD and Ez E did if they didn't respect him. Time will tell.
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#56 » by West Rouge » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:58 am

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Slackstring701 wrote:what a **** joke

its no wonder why the raptors are the laughing stock of the nba, and one of the most embarassing franchises in all of pro starts.

we have piss poor ownership, and the single worst gm in the entire league


What are you talking about?

Do you have any concept of how an organization is run, let alone an organization the size of MLSE?

Every single board member sitting in that room is infinitely more knowledgeable than you are on how to run an organization. Making a rash decision, like firing the GM in his last year before having a succession plan in place, is profoundly idiotic.



LOL MLSE is a major joke. A rash decision would have been 3 years ago. We are 2 years passed the time a decision should have been made. This organization has no respect for the product on the court/ice/pitch. They can have as much f'n time as they want. They will be taking alot less revenue out of my pocket.

Its a **** sports City and MLSE is the main culprit, BC should be long one. Its not the coaches or the players faults they were put in this kind of tam make-up & situation.
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#57 » by Hero » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:01 am

All of a sudden everyone loves dwayne. So many hate posts for him the last few weeks too....
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Re: MLSE Board Meets, Raps vets back Casey 

Post#58 » by FirstInkTDot » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:02 am

MLSE is filled with a bunch of idiotic Hockey Heads, half of them don't even give a **** about the Raptors, they just want to see NHL hockey, Why don't they change the damn Name, there's 2 other teams besides the Maple Leafs you know! They wouldn't even care if the Raptors won a NBA title.
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Re: MLSE Board Meeting Notes 

Post#59 » by Yosemite Dan » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:10 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
Slackstring701 wrote:what a **** joke

its no wonder why the raptors are the laughing stock of the nba, and one of the most embarassing franchises in all of pro starts.

we have piss poor ownership, and the single worst gm in the entire league


What are you talking about?

Do you have any concept of how an organization is run, let alone an organization the size of MLSE?

Every single board member sitting in that room is infinitely more knowledgeable than you are on how to run an organization. Making a rash decision, like firing the GM in his last year before having a succession plan in place, is profoundly idiotic.


Uhhh... they did the same exact thing with Babcock, fired him in January, gave it to Embry to clean out the dead wood before BC came in. And it was still very up in the air at Babcock's firing whether BC was leaving Phoenix.

They did a preemptive strike with Babcock because they were afraid that he would make a stupid panic move to save his ass, much like the position we are in now. And since BC has proved just as incompetent as babcock, it may be prudent to do the same here to avoid a BC panic move (trading Davis for a veteran to look like he did something).

Nothing wrong with canning him now and letting Stafanski man the ship, maybe get rid of some deadwood and take the spring to hire someone for next year
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Re: Derozan Doesn't Want Casey Fired, Still Has Faith 

Post#60 » by fatal9 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:12 am

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fatal9 wrote:There is absolutely no point in firing Casey, even though he makes a lot of amateur mistakes. Why turn your coaching situation into a revolving door when you don't have the talent to get anywhere? Wait to get legitimate talent and then reassess the coaching position. What's the point of hiring a good/proven coach to win meaningless games and get a worse draft pick?

And a lot of principles Casey has are shared by many head coaches around the league (like not trusting rookies to play with the game on the line, or making quick knee-jerk decisions based on bench guy outperforming the starter...seems weird to us because Sam Mitchell did it differently). I saw people yesterday in the game thread were critical of him playing JLIII and not Calderon. Jose played almost 40 minutes. Dude doesn't have a choice but to play garbage players like JLIII...that's what he's been given with this roster by the GM.


Jose played over 40 minutes because he decided to play Jose with JL3 with the two PG back court instead of resting him.

Then, by the time Jose gets back into the game, there is 5 minutes left, Nets well into their run and the game is effectively over.


His bench consisted of Ross, Lucas and Gray last night. You guys act it's a video game where fatigue isn't a factor. Jose played 40 minutes, DeMar 44, Ross played more minutes than Lucas, Peitrus almost 30 despite having issues with his knee flare up recently. He doesn't have a choice but to play these garbage players. His rotations in general have been amateurish but it's laughable that fans are turning him into a scapegoat when the roster is about as bad as it gets in this league. Some people are blaming him for their own unrealistic expectations for this team. No lineup decisions are going to look good in retrospect when the players on the roster simply can't deliver.

Even with Bargnani, I hate watching him play basketball as much as anyone and have been calling for him to get traded before most people here, but you can't just bench him in the first month of the season. You have no choice but to hope that things turn around, his shot starts going and he at the very least plays at the level of previous years so he can go from being an outright amnesty candidate to maybe being someone other teams might take a chance on. It's not realistic to expect a team with as little talent as the Raptors to just let a guy with Bargnani's contract waste away on the bench in favor of a young player still proving himself (and I agree that Ed Davis is a WAY better piece than Bargnani and has been better than him this year), doesn't look good around the league, especially when you're trying to trade the guy. I'd love for Casey to call him out after every game, but that doesn't help accomplish what all of us want, which is for Bargnani to be traded.

Jonas has been a defensive liability all season (and looks fatigued any time he clocks in more than 30+ minutes), he wouldn't see minutes in the fourth under a lot of coaches, it's a very basic protocol around the league for rookies to go through. Some nights people complain about him not getting minutes, and now recently we've seen posters turn on him and blame him for the team's poor defense (picking up on BC's talking points).

And even if he is a bad coach, what's the point of switching coaches now when there is no talent on the roster to go anywhere? First of all, no elite coach is going to walk himself into a situation that is arguably the worst in the league, those guys get offers from better teams with more promising roster situations. Secondly, what's the point of squeezing out the most number of wins out of a roster like this? To win 30 games instead of 20? Thirdly, 3 coaches in 3 years, turning the head coaching job into a revolving door is going to make other coaches that much more reluctant to sign with this mess of a team.

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