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Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:28 pm
by Big Shot
ATLTimekeeper wrote:Embry won't sell out the Colangelos. He probably went to bat for him. They're burying Bargs to buy them some time on the trade market.
No, he won't.....the Colangelos still hold on to his secret weight loss formula.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:07 pm
by lucky777s
dacrusha wrote:The last time Embry was summoned to oversee a roster re-shuffling, he dumped Jalen Roses's $15 million salary on the Knicks.
He gave away a first round pick that could have landed the Raps Rondo or Lowry in 2006. Probably done with BCs blessing given how close he was to coming on board. First of many short-sighted moves. And one that Babcock had been involved in negotiating but smartly would not give in on the pick.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:08 pm
by sanity
Why is Embry still employed with this franchise?
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:29 pm
by Inevitable
sanity wrote:Why is Embry still employed with this franchise?
He brings a winning culture.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:26 pm
by lucky777s
Inevitable wrote:sanity wrote:Why is Embry still employed with this franchise?
He brings a winning culture.
The honest to god truth is that he tells good stories and lets the board members hear all about players they used to watch when they were young. They think having a HOF guy associated with the team somehow gives their FO respect, but it doesn't.
It was the exact same with McCloskey who was around forever until he decided to leave the club. Babs brought in Embry to be the experienced voice to help guide him. When Peddie ordered Embry to report directly to him that was the clearest sign that Babs was on his way out. I even spoke with Babs about that and tried to get him to make a proactive move internally but politics was just not his thing. Personally I thought it was a scumbag move by Embry who should have been more loyal to Babs.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:39 pm
by tecumseh18
dacrusha wrote:The last time Embry was summoned to oversee a roster re-shuffling, he dumped Jalen Roses's $15 million salary on the Knicks.
And it only cost us Rajan Rondo ... I mean BC's darling Marcus "Fatty McLaptop" Williams.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:43 pm
by thunderforce
I would wish they would form a plan tank for Wiggins and then pull a Blue Jays and spend like a drunken sailor .
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:46 pm
by EH15
Man I'd love to see this meeting live. Ownership questioning Colangelo while he begs for 7 more years to let Bargnani to reach his potential.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:20 pm
by J-Roc
sanity wrote:Why is Embry still employed with this franchise?
To help the board to find someone with a basketball background to oversee Colangelo.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:27 pm
by Smitch
Inevitable wrote:sanity wrote:Why is Embry still employed with this franchise?
He brings a winning culture.
I lol'd at that comment.
TBH. This is probably the worst I have felt as a Raptors fan, and I've been through everything since 95.
This is worse than admitting than Harry Palmer was right all along about the direction of the Team back 6 - 7 years ago. but admitting that is still not as bitter as to having watch this team struggle this year.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:55 pm
by OAKLEY_2
Was a case of ownership getting up to speed on state of team after tough start. Not a formal review for Colangelo.
"Up to speed". What a laugher.
"uhhhm we are 4 and 19 meetings adjourned."
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:05 am
by ForeverTFC
From Grange's article ...
"You can't come in and move Colangelo, not right now," said one source with knowledge of ownership's thinking. "For one thing, who is telling you to move him? Who makes that decision? They are prepared to weather the storm right now until they can get someone in there that can recommend the path they need to take, one way or the other. You need someone there that can give ownership that insight, you can't panic."
Can't help but feel a bit vindicated.
Re: Derozan Doesn't Want Casey Fired, Still Has Faith
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:57 am
by nonc
Choker wrote:Ed Davis is laughing somewhere.
so is the MLSE board for this release, giving the false impression like are actually gonna do something.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:08 am
by Scase
ForeverTFC wrote:From Grange's article ...
"You can't come in and move Colangelo, not right now," said one source with knowledge of ownership's thinking. "For one thing, who is telling you to move him? Who makes that decision? They are prepared to weather the storm right now until they can get someone in there that can recommend the path they need to take, one way or the other. You need someone there that can give ownership that insight, you can't panic."
Can't help but feel a bit vindicated.
That doesn't make it right, that's the thought process from the same people that gave BC the extension in the first place.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:12 am
by West Rouge
Incompetent organization. "We need to weigh our options for another 3 years." Please respect the process.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:28 am
by Dan2087
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Was a case of ownership getting up to speed on state of team after tough start. Not a formal review for Colangelo.
"Up to speed". What a laugher.
"uhhhm we are 4 and 19 meetings adjourned."
LOL yea this made me laugh. It like MLSE is saying 'we haven't really been following this team - just got back from a crazy trip month long trip in Thailand - how are the Raptors??'
'Well, we're 4-19'
'4-19?!'
'Yes, but we've been hit with the injury bug - Bargs is still out with injury and Fields has been out pretty much all year too. Its just a lack of focus and attention to detail. And honestly, we won too many games last year - I mean look at the roster I assembled - theres no way in hell they should have pulled off a 23-43 record. We're still selling out though!'
'We are?? Keep up the fair work - we'll talk extension later'
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:51 am
by Phenomenologist
ForeverTFC wrote:From Grange's article ...
"You can't come in and move Colangelo, not right now," said one source with knowledge of ownership's thinking. "For one thing, who is telling you to move him? Who makes that decision? They are prepared to weather the storm right now until they can get someone in there that can recommend the path they need to take, one way or the other. You need someone there that can give ownership that insight, you can't panic."
Can't help but feel a bit vindicated.
It was never in question whether they would spew such corporate mumbo jumbo; it was a question as to whether such mumbo jumbo actually had any inherent merit ... which it still doesn't. So, well done for anticipating that the representative of a giant ownership group would sound off in some incredibly inane fashion by way of justifying the status quo for just a little bit longer. Really, bravo.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:54 am
by PRESTIGE
The worst thing you could have is a basketball team run by a bunch of fat cat bureaucrats. There are all sorts of politics at play and things take forever to progress. Lets talk about this, then put it aside for now, call this meeting, call another meeting, wait for that deadline, etc. You probably have people on the board who hate the other people, pitting votes against each other, playing devil's advocate. They're more concerned with the business aspect of the team, then their own little interests, and basketball and winning take a back seat. And how many of them are knowledgable about basketball and the NBA?
With a single majority owner all that gets tossed out the window and he lives and dies for his team.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:57 am
by Phenomenologist
PRESTIGE wrote:The worst thing you could have is a basketball team run by a bunch of fat cat bureaucrats. There are all sorts of politics at play and things take forever to progress. Lets talk about this, then put it aside for now, call this meeting, call another meeting, wait for that deadline, etc. You probably have people on the board who hate the other people, pitting votes against each other, playing devil's advocate. They're more concerned with the business aspect of the team, then their own little interests, and basketball and winning take a back seat. And how many of them are knowledgable about basketball and the NBA?
With a single majority owner all that gets tossed out the window and he lives and dies for his team.
God do I wish Mark Cuban owned our team. He's a nut, but he's a nut who cares about winning.
Re: Embry speaks to MLSE board, "weighing options" (Pg. 8)
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:19 am
by wootwoot
MLSE needs to just bite the bullet and fire BC now, today if possible. There is not much point in waiting until after the draft, even if you still believe in his drafting ability, as it is more likely we will lose the pick, than keep it. There is no point in waiting until after the trade deadline, as BC's trades have been mostly terrible. As a bonus, the sooner BC gets fired, the sooner he is likely to be hired by another team, giving us a much sought after trading partner to unload Bargnani to, and likely get a 1st round pick from (Even with 29 other teams in the league, some of which are run by clowns, it is hard to imagine any GM other than BC being stupid enough to trade for a 7th year player who performs at the level of a 3rd stringer, but gets paid 10+ million a year, and has a trade kicker, no matter how much talent the player has).